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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
now some user changes it and the votes were againt it...massively I don't know which contributions you were looking at, but the Blu-rays I own, where this change was contributed, were 100% yes votes.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Not the ones I looked at, amigo. But the point remains based upon Charlie's documentation the title is Tron not TRON. It is not an acronym of anything and standard cap Rule applies. As I said we either have Rules or we do not. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
There is some personal frustration over the 10's of thousands of hours that I have put into Rule development and Profile editing Considering the s after ten, I suppose it is at least 2, so at least 20000 hours. With 10 hours per day, every day without any stop for holidays or illness, that means at least 5,5 years of constant work. Really awesome. I hope you had enough time to watch the movies (the animated images that are between beginning and end credits). I can not understand why you don't have your four stars. Anyway,  To come back to the main subject, I agree with you that Ken's post is just more confusion for what to do with general cases. | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | The original posters question has been answered by the owner of the program. The issue is, therefore, settled. Personally, I prefer Tron and will lock my local database to accomidate my preference. Quoting Mark Harrison: Quote:
But I'll gladly accept the ruling on this in the hopes that we get more direction like this down the line. This is my hope as well. |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 762 |
| | Posted: | | | | I would like to know the reasoning behind Ken's decision. |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,749 |
| | Posted: | | | | Comon' gang, the ruling has been made and it's for this one incident only. Not a precedent, not a rule changer...just a single ruling. Do your local any way you want and lock the title field. This is not for general cases. We have rules to cover them. Again, it's just this one...move along, these aren't the droids you're looking for.  | | | | Marty - Registered July 10, 2004, User since 2002. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | This not about anything than asking for an explanation of what went into this erroneous ruling. You and Ken can claim all you wish that it is not a precedent, but then you don't know our users very well. A precedent has indeed been set, one of the questions now is where is the line or more appropos where is the Rule.
We already have documented evidence that it is Tron and NOT TRON as claimed, so why not simply either reverse the ruling and stand on the Rules or explain what's behind the ruling. The explanation is what is lacking. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
We already have documented evidence that it is Tron and NOT TRON as claimed, so why not simply either reverse the ruling and stand on the Rules or explain what's behind the ruling. The explanation is what is lacking. We don't have documented evidence, we have documented opinion. Disney, in all their press releases...at least the ones I have read...list the sequal as "TRON: Legacy". The use of the mixed case tells me that they consider the title to be 'TRON'. It is possible that Ken took that into consideration when making his decision. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 5,734 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Disney, in all their press releases...at least the ones I have read...list the sequal as "TRON: Legacy". The use of the mixed case tells me that they consider the title to be 'TRON'. Now we use the title from press releases? | | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting Winston Smith:
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We already have documented evidence that it is Tron and NOT TRON as claimed, so why not simply either reverse the ruling and stand on the Rules or explain what's behind the ruling. The explanation is what is lacking.
We don't have documented evidence, we have documented opinion. Disney, in all their press releases...at least the ones I have read...list the sequal as "TRON: Legacy". The use of the mixed case tells me that they consider the title to be 'TRON'. It is possible that Ken took that into consideration when making his decision. We have the doc from the ORIGINAL "Making of Tron: in which Steve Lassiter states that Tron came from elecTRONic. That is legitimate doc. It is Tron not TRON, though I MIGHT buy your argument relative to TRON Legacy. Notice I said MIGHT. I asked Ken how far afield do we search for the title and he has not yet answered. Press releases do not qualify. We have Rules simply follow them. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
We have the doc from the ORIGINAL "Making of Tron: in which Steve Lassiter states that Tron came from elecTRONic. That is legitimate doc. It is Tron not TRON, though I MIGHT buy your argument relative to TRON Legacy. All that tells us is where the name came from. It does not, however, tell us whether or not the title is 'TRON' or 'Tron'. Disney, as far as I can tell, always refers to the film, in print format, as 'TRON'. Quote:
Notice I said MIGHT. I asked Ken how far afield do we search for the title and he has not yet answered. Press releases do not qualify. We have Rules simply follow them. Yes, we have rules, but all the rules say about capitalization of titles, is to "check it". In addition to that, we are told to not capitalize 'joining words' but, as this is a single word title, that portion does not apply. That being the case, checking the capitalization, by using a press release, does qualify. It may not be what the writers of the rules intended, but it seems it is what Ken intends. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: May 20, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | To be clear.
I posted where the name came from, as there has been misinformation concerning the origins of the name for many years.
I also posted my opinion as to what it should be, and why I feel that.
If it should or shouldn't all be capitalized or not, can most assuredly be debated, and all proper sources must be analyzed.
As of right now, for the online, it is TRON, and until that changes, it will be TRON.
I, like some others (as is done for many items), have locked it in my DB as "Tron".
If Ken wants to explain his decision, that will be his choice (I won't hold my breath).
I personally hope he reconsiders, but it really isn't worth arguing about.
Charlie |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 5,734 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
It may not be what the writers of the rules intended, but it seems it is what Ken intends. We have come a long way. Now we discuss what might have been the intention of Ken Cole's exception to his own Rules. Quote:
Yes, we have rules, but all the rules say about capitalization of titles, is to "check it". That being the case, checking the capitalization, by using a press release, does qualify.
Well, we could find a lot of sources to "check" the capitalization of various titles. | | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | No it does not bbbb. Read the Rules, we take the title from the front cover and apply standard caps. The ONLY exception to this is possessives which was also a misguided decision based upon user whim. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
No it does not bbbb. Read the Rules, we take the title from the front cover and apply standard caps. The ONLY exception to this is possessives which was also a misguided decision based upon user whim. I find it interesting that you find Ken's decisions to be "misgided". The rules have been overruled. "It's good to be the King". |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Kathy:
Your comment says much, that I don't wish to get into. A decision is muisguided when it is based upon user whim instead of sound database practices. This decision is n ot based upon sound database pracvtices. You will also notice that I and others have called Ken on the carpet to defend hios decision, he explains that he did something but does not explain what it was or the specifics of why he made his call. All I want to know is what is BEHIND the ruling, ifr he can substantiate it he'll get little from me, but thus far he has done nothing but6 provide very vague information about the ruling and the ruling.; I want to know WHY, it does set a precedent and further it is in complete violation of the Rules, which is why I say we either have Rules or we do NOT. If Ken answers I will read it and go from there, if he does not well..... | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
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