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Question about Editions
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorAddicted2DVD
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Looking at the definition...

prom·i·nent
  [prom-uh-nuhnt]
–adjective
1. standing out so as to be seen easily; conspicuous; particularly noticeable: Her eyes are her most prominent feature.
2. standing out beyond the adjacent surface or line; projecting.
3. leading, important, or well-known: a prominent citizen.

I think it is pretty much clear what we are saying Especially number 2 definition.If Ken wants something more then that I am sure we can come up with something.
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"Prominently Displayed" is subjective.

"On the Front Cover" is objective.

That's all I'm saying.
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I understand what you are saying Hal... But unfortunately just the front cover isn't enough as what we are looking for isn't always on the front cover. And I personally feel that the need to be able to have this info to be too important to loose on these titles. My opinion on the matter at least.
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Pete - in the editions you have seen that are indicated on the spine or back, do they differ from the standard choices in the drop-down box?

If they don't, perhaps the rule could be worded to allow an edition to be taken from the spine or back if that edition matches one of the standard choices.
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I can't remember exactly... but pretty sure they are all kinds. I would have to go through my collection and that could take a bit as there is so many titles to go through now. And DVDP is already closed for tonight.

To be honest with you... I can't even remember what is in the standard drop-down
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This seems to be how I treated it always.

But I can remember a few releases I had seen where the "Special Edition" was just on the spine or "Uncut" was (prominently diplayed) just on the back cover, so the Front Cover part of Ken's statement would influence those releases.

Maybe it would be the best to treat Editions just as Gerri wrote (last part):
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In this case, nothing was written on the cover. In the case where there is something like WIDESCREEN COLLECTION written on the cover, I think it needs to be included. The rule would end up being too subjective and hard to judge if you tried to apply the rule in such a way that if there are no DVDs out that don't include that feature then don't include it in the edition field even if it is on the cover. Doesn't mean the rule can't change, that is just my opinion.

-Gerri


This would also solve the problems from op or the 2,35:1 = widescreen Editon problems mentioned in this thread.
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I think the part

- Help to differentiate versions

Is where people are getting caught up.  It seems that people want to be able to argue about trying to differentiate based on something(anything)

While I agree the statement in itself may be accurate, it actually may be better to leave part out, and keep the part

Is prominently displayed on the cover
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Quoting TheMadMartian:
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The only downside is the extra work to remove the, now, invalid editions.

Is this real? How big a problem is this in light of the fact that there are 537.911 profiles in the database? Name, say, ten specific examples?

The thing that people tend to forget with regards to the rules, is that it's generally impossible to cater for every single profile out there. There will always be a few exceptions, but if we have the choice between a crystal clear rule that can't be misinterpreted, and a vague rule which is going to be interpreted in multiple ways for years to come, then I'd personally go for the simple one, and I'd be perfectly happy to keep the one or two occasions where I'd want to deviate from that rule locally.

Generally, I'm ecstatic when a rule is simple, concise, and can be effortlessly applied to 535.000 of the 537.911 profiles in the database. That's what we need. But as soon as someone insists that we absolutely need to cater for that very last half percent (!) as well, then we're in trouble. That's what's gotten us vague and multi-interpretable rules and pointless talk of "intent" ten years down the line. Heck: it's gotten us people quoting dictionaries in order to define "prominent". Let's not go there anymore, but keep it simple and objective, even if it means that one or two editions fall by the wayside and will have to be kept locally.
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Note that the condition for prominent front cover display applies only to non-standard editions (those not included in the program's drop-down):

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use the built-in editions when applicable, but tread lightly when stepping out of those choices.  When considering non-standard edition text, make sure it both:

- Help to differentiate versions - AND-
- Is prominently displayed on the front cover.
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Please don't use subjective wordings like "prominent". The fact that it's mentioned on the front cover should be enough.
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Until Rho says it's mentioned on the front cover in fine print. I understand the intent of the word Prominent and fine print would definitely NOT be included as prominent.  
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I don't think we need more "intent" read into the rules.
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Lo0ok up PROMINENT in the dictionary. i think it's clear.
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Why should I even have to?
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standing out so as to be seen easily; conspicuous; particularly noticeable: Her eyes are her most prominent feature.

Fine print is not conspicuous or particularly noticeable, nor does it stand out to be seen easily.

The banner used on many titles is prominent,
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Quoting KinoNiki:
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Why should I even have to?

Because you are worried that people don't understand  what prominent means, it's not a subjective word as you described it, it has a very clear and well-defined meaning.
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