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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Poor T!M, the victim. I'm so happy that the current system works for you. These two statements seem to contradict each other. I certainly don't see how I'm a "victim" here. I haven't claimed that I am, and I don't understand why you want to paint me as one. Quote:
There is a better way Then by all means, come out and say what it is. Because while you keep saying there's "a better way", we don't hear much about it, do we? I have outlined some possible improvements - have you? Quote:
I find it sad that you seem to prefer to defend a screwed up system than to fight for a new one that actually works without the effort currently required. There again, you say that without saying what that "new one that actually works" is. Also, I'm not "defending" anything, and I am fighting for improvement. From you, however, all we seem to be getting is empty rhetoric. Quote:
Of course, given the amount of effort that you have invested in the current system, your recalcitrant position is somewhat understandable. It reminds me of Skip's old arguments about why the Rules cannot be changed, even when they are wrong. It would invalidate work previously done. First: you don't even seem to understand what my "position" is... Second: whatever happens, I don't see how "it would invalidate work previously done". So I'm not at all worried about that. Let's revisit that in, say, five years, and see who turned out to be right, okay? |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
That doesn't take away anything from the fact that, like pretty much everyone else, I'm very much hoping for improvements that will make things easier. The problem is that each time someone makes a proposal to correct unacceptable issues, you fight hard to avoid any change in the existing system. Easier for you means easier for the contributors, even if the price is more bad data in the online. Easier for people who want the system change means easier for the final user to get good linking. | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
The one thing I did, is disagree with the statement that it does not and can not work. It can, and it does - I've got the proof right here. If you are referring to me, I at no time said that it cannot work. I said it sucks and that it does not work for anyone except someone who is willing to spend hours and hours and hours to force it to actually work. That means very, very few actually have a working linking system. It doesn't need improvements! It needs replacement! Period! | | | | Hal |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Quoting T!M:
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That doesn't take away anything from the fact that, like pretty much everyone else, I'm very much hoping for improvements that will make things easier.
The problem is that each time someone makes a proposal to correct unacceptable issues, you fight hard to avoid any change in the existing system. I most certainly do not. I haven't done so here, and I haven't done so on other occasions. What I have done once or twice, is oppose suggestions that I consider to be flat out wrong. The one example that comes to mind, is your proposal with regards to accented names - because that was, and still is, an extremely bad proposal. But now that I think about it, that may well have been the only thing. If there's anything else I've "fought hard" against, please let me know and I'll be happy to either reconsider or explain my position. But if you can't think of anything else that I've "fought hard" against, the please don't accuse me of it. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting hal9g:
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There is a better way
Then by all means, come out and say what it is. Because while you keep saying there's "a better way", we don't hear much about it, do we? I have outlined some possible improvements - have you? I have described the system that needs to be implemented several times. Trying looking around. Five years will make no difference unless Ken changes the system! | | | | Hal |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
I have described the system that needs to be implemented several times. I've seen that, yeah, and I have explained why it's not gonna happen several times as well. Quote:
It doesn't need improvements! It needs replacement! Period! Not only do I genuinly believe that a world of difference could be made with just some improvements, I also happen to believe that chances of getting a full replacement are pretty slim at this time. Personally, I'd rather push for something which may actually be achievable, rather than shooting for the stars and getting nothing. Your mileage may vary, of course. |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
The one example that comes to mind, is your proposal with regards to accented names - because that was, and still is, an extremely bad proposal. It is a bad proposal in your mind, but other users agree with me that introducing spelling mistakes is not the better thing for the online. For me, it is even the worst. You've always been one of the most fervent defender of the common names system, and your posts in present thread just prove it once again. The way you explain to other users it is easy to obtain perfect linking (they have just to correct in their local all the errors you are happy to send to the online database) is insulting towards people who know how the program works as well as you do. But I'm just repeating what Ace_of_Sevens said... | | | | Images from movies |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Personally, I'd rather push for something which may actually be achievable, rather than shooting for the stars and getting nothing. I have something to propose you. No change in program, two lines in rules : result is at least 1300 common names solved in one second without any thread and any research. | | | | Images from movies |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
The way you explain to other users it is easy to obtain perfect linking (they have just to correct in their local all the errors you are happy to send to the online database) It's all nonsense, as usual, but this particularly I have to object to: I do not send errors to the online database. Rules-compliant data doesn't turn bad just because you don't like the rules. Please stop with these false accusations!  Quote:
result is at least 1300 common names solved in one second I happen to know for a fact that those same 1300 common names already HAVE been "solved" by Ken - many, many seconds ago. Since there's no problem there, I suggest we direct our attention to one of the problems we have that that actually exist. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
I happen to know for a fact that those same 1300 common names already HAVE been solved by Ken - many, many seconds ago. Please explain how you can say that : Credited Gérard LANVIN is entered Gérard Lanvin Credited GERARD LANVIN is entered Gerard Lanvin No linking, so this needs a common name thread to be sure which is most credited, with long research to verify all data that where sent to the online before Ken's clarification. Now take a new rule : use correct spelling Credited Gérard LANVIN is entered Gérard Lanvin Credited GERARD LANVIN is entered Gérard Lanvin We have automatic linking, all Gerard Lanvin are wrong without having to watch credits. Problem solved. If I'm wrong, can you explain me, on this example, how you can choose for common name between Gérard Lanvin and Gerard Lanvin, without any research ? | | | | Images from movies |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Please explain how you can say [...] I, and many others, have explained that you more than enough times already. |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting surfeur51:
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Please explain how you can say [...]
I, and many others, have explained that you more than enough times already. This is not an answer. Please, on this example, can you explain me how present rules gives the common name without work? And if it is easy, give me the common name (not just CLT results that are known to be wrong for accented names) With my proposal, common name is Gérard Lanvin without any research. If not, please explain me why. | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
This is not an answer. Yes it is. Better yet: it's the only one you're going to get from me this time. I realize you're more than happy to keep playing the same note for the next twenty years, but I'd rather not. |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting surfeur51:
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This is not an answer.
Yes it is. Better yet: it's the only one you're going to get from me this time. I realize you're more than happy to keep playing the same note for the next twenty years, but I'd rather not. I just see that you are unable to answer my very simple question. Of course, you perfectly know I'm right, but you insist on your position because you love so much this system that you do not want to see anything change. With people acting in this manner, nothing will never improve. Your refusal to answer just proves that you lied there : Quoting T!M: Quote:
Personally, I'd rather push for something which may actually be achievable, rather than shooting for the stars and getting nothing. | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ah, the inevitable stock reply. Sure, Yves, you win, you got me all figured out - if that'll put an end to this, then by all means, go ahead and believe that...
In the meantime, I'll just stick with the rules and what Ken tells us. Apparently, that makes me the bad guy - so be it. |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Apparently, that makes me the bad guy. Not at all. Perhaps you are right and I understood nothing. To solve this misunderstanding, just answer now those two very simple questions : With present rule, what is the common name for Gerard Lanvin/Gérard Lanvin, without making any review of his credits (CLT results cannot be trusted) ?. With my proposal, why am I wrong to say immediatly "Common name is Gérard Lanvin" ? | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
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