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Unless I am misunderstanding we need disc indicators in original title field for the same reason we would need season indicators. The people that uses original titles for the list would have multiple releases in the list with the same exact title.

You're right, of course - in the current program. But again, my suggestion involves a program change. And if Invelos were indeed to give season/disc indicators it's own field, then that problem would automatically be eliminated, because then the contents of that new field would always be shown with the show's original title.
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I'm totally dense on this. I'm not sure I understand what you mean when you say the people that use original titles for the list.

Go to Tools/Options/Display, and then under "Title Format" you'll find the option to display your collection by original title.
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allow for separation of tv and film adaptations (or vice versa).

They tend to be separated by their production year. I'm afraid I don't understand what this has to do with the topic at hand... It seems to me what you're asking is: how does the CLT distinguish between two different productions with the same name? And if that's the question, then it doesn't matter if we're talking about TV shows or anything else. Your question could, for instance, also apply to the film 'Hairspray' (1988) and it's remake 'Hairspray' (2007). How does the CLT separate those two? Well, the answer is: by production year. For someone who's credited in both - John Waters, for instance - it's the different production year results in the two films being counted as two credits instead of one. Season indicators need not play any part in that.


Didn't think about that. But then there's still a problem. For example The X-Files. The first movie of The X-Files has been released in 1998 and the first six episodes of season 6 aired in 1998... Both releases would be counted as the same when using only the TV series title as Original Title.

The season descriptor has to be entered. Another solution would be indeed a season descriptor field. I'm not sure how you would handle a single DVD with two seasons on it or other DVDs with episodes from more than one season (like the Are You Being Served? Series 1-5 box set).
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Unless I am misunderstanding we need disc indicators in original title field for the same reason we would need season indicators. The people that uses original titles for the list would have multiple releases in the list with the same exact title.

You're right, of course - in the current program. But again, my suggestion involves a program change. And if Invelos were indeed to give season/disc indicators it's own field, then that problem would automatically be eliminated, because then the contents of that new field would always be shown with the show's original title.


Tim...
That reply wasn't for you... but Merrik.
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allow for separation of tv and film adaptations (or vice versa).

They tend to be separated by their production year. I'm afraid I don't understand what this has to do with the topic at hand... It seems to me what you're asking is: how does the CLT distinguish between two different productions with the same name? And if that's the question, then it doesn't matter if we're talking about TV shows or anything else. Your question could, for instance, also apply to the film 'Hairspray' (1988) and it's remake 'Hairspray' (2007). How does the CLT separate those two? Well, the answer is: by production year. For someone who's credited in both - John Waters, for instance - it's the different production year results in the two films being counted as two credits instead of one. Season indicators need not play any part in that.


  It completely and utterly slipped my mind while typing my post that CLT counts are distinguished with production years as well. I feel... silly. I actually just got finished submitting a bunch of corrections to production years to stop them from counting as separate titles from the rest of the profiles for the same film... so I'm not sure how I forgot about it!!   

That along with not having a clue what was being talked about with the original title field being used (thanks for the explanation gentlemen  ) goes to show that apparently... today... yeah, it ain't my day for thinking clearly!!!
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From what I understand... I don't use it myself... but here is a place in options to show your list (your main list of dvds in the program) as the original title instead of what is used in the title field. And because of this the people that use that option would need both the season indicator and disc indicator in original title field or they will have multiple listings with the same exact title.

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Go to Tools/Options/Display, and then under "Title Format" you'll find the option to display your collection by original title.


Thanks to both.

I was completely unaware that was an option within the program. Now I know! 
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I'm totally dense on this. I'm not sure I understand what you mean when you say the people that use original titles for the list.

Go to Tools/Options/Display, and then under "Title Format" you'll find the option to display your collection by original title.

I agree, Tim but that doesn't change  here and now. Wouldn't your idea be better served in the Feature request area. That is where program changes are best served to me.
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I agree, Tim but that doesn't change  here and now. Wouldn't your idea be better served in the Feature request area.

Been there, done that. Latest effort by DJ Doena here. I've supported this for a long time, and while it is, indeed, really a feature request, it can't hurt to keep the topic "in the spotlights", so to speak. Keep in mind that I didn't start this thread - if I had done that, I would have indeed placed it in the Feature Request forum. But here, I merely offered my suggestion as an answer to the problems outlined by the threadstarter.

I'm dealing with the consequences of this problem - the problem being that the inclusion of different season and disc indicators on TV profiles mess up the CLT numbers beyond belief - pretty much every single day, and I'd rather see this addressed today than tomorrow. Until it is addressed - one way or another - I'm happy to keep pointing out what I feel is the obvious solution to these problems wherever I can.
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allow for separation of tv and film adaptations (or vice versa).

They tend to be separated by their production year. I'm afraid I don't understand what this has to do with the topic at hand... It seems to me what you're asking is: how does the CLT distinguish between two different productions with the same name? And if that's the question, then it doesn't matter if we're talking about TV shows or anything else. Your question could, for instance, also apply to the film 'Hairspray' (1988) and it's remake 'Hairspray' (2007). How does the CLT separate those two? Well, the answer is: by production year. For someone who's credited in both - John Waters, for instance - it's the different production year results in the two films being counted as two credits instead of one. Season indicators need not play any part in that.


Didn't think about that. But then there's still a problem. For example The X-Files. The first movie of The X-Files has been released in 1998 and the first six episodes of season 6 aired in 1998... Both releases would be counted as the same when using only the TV series title as Original Title.

The season descriptor has to be entered. Another solution would be indeed a season descriptor field. I'm not sure how you would handle a single DVD with two seasons on it or other DVDs with episodes from more than one season (like the Are You Being Served? Series 1-5 box set).


What about this: how does the CLT distinguish between two different productions with the same name and production year like I have explained above? That's why I think that the a season descriptor should be converted into the CLT some way. The key is making this descriptor the same for all localities.

There should also be a standard approach on handling a single DVD containing episodes of more than one season. Something like:

[TV series Title]: Seasons [#] & [#]

or in the rare case of more than two seasons:

[TV series Title]: Seasons [#] - [#]
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What about this: how does the CLT distinguish between two different productions with the same name and production year like I have explained above?

It doesn't. Never has: it's not something uniquely associates with this issue. Note, for instance, that the CLT doesn't distinguish between two people with different birth years either. Don't forget that it really only is an extremely basic tool. Of course we can ask Ken for a more elaborate CLT, but for me that really is an entirely different matter than the issue at hand, which is that different season and disc indicators in TV show profiles thoroughly mess up the CLT numbers.

Of course everything is somehow connected, and as such, we can expand every given problem to include basically EVERYTHING - and we indeed have a tendency to do that, making many feature requests into mammoth tasks unlikely to come to fruitition anytime soon (example: "give us a new linking system"). Instead, I have more faith in breaking things down into (somewhat) manageable pieces. Case in point: "give us a new field to store every form of season/disc indicator in". That would do a world of good pretty much immediately. Currently, the CLT numbers are often off by as much as 90% (!) as a result of the inability to deal with TV credits. If we can bring that error-ratio down down to just a few percent, then I'd be extremely pleased. Yes, the CLT will still be unable to distinguish between two different productions with the same name and production year, and yes, the CLT will still be unable to distinguish between two people with different birth years, but those really are different issues.
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What about this: how does the CLT distinguish between two different productions with the same name and production year like I have explained above?

It doesn't. Never has: it's not something uniquely associates with this issue. Note, for instance, that the CLT doesn't distinguish between two people with different birth years either. Don't forget that it really only is an extremely basic tool. Of course we can ask Ken for a more elaborate CLT, but for me that really is an entirely different matter than the issue at hand, which is that different season and disc indicators in TV show profiles thoroughly mess up the CLT numbers.

Of course everything is somehow connected, and as such, we can expand every given problem to include basically EVERYTHING - and we indeed have a tendency to do that, making many feature requests into mammoth tasks unlikely to come to fruitition anytime soon (example: "give us a new linking system"). Instead, I have more faith in breaking things down into (somewhat) manageable pieces. Case in point: "give us a new field to store every form of season/disc indicator in". That would do a world of good pretty much immediately. Currently, the CLT numbers are often off by as much as 90% (!) as a result of the inability to deal with TV credits. If we can bring that error-ratio down down to just a few percent, then I'd be extremely pleased. Yes, the CLT will still be unable to distinguish between two different productions with the same name and production year, and yes, the CLT will still be unable to distinguish between two people with different birth years, but those really are different issues.


All fine but is it so hard to ask for an implementation of a season descriptor into the program that automatically converts standard season indicators into the CLT? I don't know, maybe it's hard building something like that and then I'm all in for your suggestion. But if it isn't why don't we do it right at once?

I would propose a field like the subtitles field. In stead of language you can select (a) number(s) corresponding the season number(s). Just an idea.

I don't see a program update any day soon. An extension of the TV series rules is the other option.

BTW thanks all for the constructive feedback and discussion. Finally a topic without personal attacks and all  (knock wood, before we know it I jinxed it).
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I would propose a field like the subtitles field. In stead of language you can select (a) number(s) corresponding the season number(s). Just an idea.

That would certainly work, yeah. I could support that as well - as long as it means that we move this information out of the original title field and into something else I'm happy - but it just seems like a bigger change, requiring more work, and therefore maybe less likely to happen. As I said, we sometimes need to be careful not to turn every feature request into a complete overhaul of the entire program. Hence my suggestion for what I feel would render wonderful results from fairly limited input. But then again: what do I know? So yeah, I would certainly support your suggestion as well.
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I would propose a field like the subtitles field. In stead of language you can select (a) number(s) corresponding the season number(s). Just an idea.

I like it. With that I would like to omit the season indicator not only from the original title field but also from the title field.
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The only thing I would have against something like a checkbox for seasons is that you couldn't have it listed as it is listed on the case in our list. Where some has The Complete First Season... some has Season One... some has Season 1... Some has Season 01 or what have you. I do not want to loose the exactly as credited on case in the title field.

So an open text field yes... sure. But no... I don't want something where you just chose the number and loose how it is written on the cover.
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The only thing I would have against something like a checkbox for seasons is that you couldn't have it listed as it is listed on the case in our list. Where some has The Complete First Season... some has Season One... some has Season 1... Some has Season 01 or what have you. I do not want to loose the exactly as credited on case in the title field.

So an open text field yes... sure. But no... I don't want something where you just chose the number and loose how it is written on the cover.


Well there's a simple solution for that: Original Title field. This season checkbox should be linked to the original title field.

In the Original Title field: the actual title of the TV series linked to the season checkbox.
In the normal Title field: the Front Cover title.
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If it is only the original title field I would be ok with it.... but still think an open field is better. The majority of "best of" discs I have has a name not season numbers where you can check them off... Like...

- Alice: Television Favorites
- Chico and the Man: Television Favorites
- The Drew Carey Show: Television Favorites

Or volumes like Secret Agent aka Danger Man: Vol. 1-6

So on most (if not all) best of discs I have the season indicators really don't come into play.
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