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Using dividers for song titles in crew contributions
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorNexus the Sixth
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I don't believe that's an acceptable answer.  We have the tools to do something that at least some of us see a value in.  It is no different than the company dividers.  We are simply using the tools we have to create context to the credits.  We're already entering the song writer credits. 


Interesting that you think my opinion is "unacceptable". Last time I checked, you didn't define what is acceptable or not in this forum.

I don't want this any more than I wanted the FX people or company dividers, yet I'm forced to live with the outcome despite my personal preferences. If I can do it, so can you. The database can never be everything to everyone. The more it's trying, the more it's failing. The online db should ideally work as a common starting point for the majority of users and not try to provide for every little special interest that some users might have. That's why the local data fields were added. I suggest you use them or request the feature to be added in good order instead of trying to sneak it in through a backdoor because someone accidently left it open.
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I have been skim-reading a bit so I may have missed something, but I still see no arguments that explain why a group of song-writers aren't a logical grouping of crew.
I think Scotthm came the closest, mentioning the phrase "included only if the crew meets the other listing requirements", however that's talking about the crew not the dividers, the crew need to meet the other listing requirements (which song writers do), it makes no mention of the dividers needing to meet any other requirements.

I'm also very disturbed by the tone of this thread, it's been a relatively pleasant few weeks recently, there's no need to revert to past form.
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I still see no arguments that explain why a group of song-writers aren't a logical grouping of crew.

Better yet: I still see no arguments that explain why one song-writer is a logical grouping of crew.

Additionally, if that's the argument, then why don't we enter six sound editors using a group divider? Surely a group of six sound editors (one credit in header form with six names below it) is a "logical grouping" as well?
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Additionally, if that's the argument, then why don't we enter six sound editors using a group divider? Surely a group of six sound editors (one credit in header form with six names below it) is a "logical grouping" as well?

You say that facetiously, but you do know that is where this is all heading.

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To clarify. I did the submission using the dividers, as i did several times before,clearly stating in my notes the use of these dividers. All the submission i did were accepted, so is it really against the rules? I undertsnad a mistake can be made by the screeners but all of them were accepted.

So when you can drive home at 50mph in a 35mph zone without getting a ticket I guess it means the speed limit really is 50mph?


I don't recall saying that. But the fact remains several were submitted and accepted.

In your analogy it'd be like driving home 10 times, being seen by the cops every time, and still not getting a ticket. That doesn't seem very likely now does it?

Also i think is more interesting to look at the votes and seeing so many yes votes surely means that i'm not the only one seeing it this way. I even started doing this after seeing several contributions being made this way and though to try it out.

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I'm also very disturbed by the tone of this thread, it's been a relatively pleasant few weeks recently, there's no need to revert to past form.


I don't quite understand this statement. Everything so far seems quite civil.

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Also i think is more interesting to look at the votes and seeing so many yes votes surely means that i'm not the only one seeing it this way.


The number of votes doesn't really mean anything. I've seen some absolute garbage contributed with my solitary no vote standing there amongst a sea of green. I've even had PMs off contributers in the past criticising me for my vote 'well everyone else agrees so change your vote'.
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I've seen some absolute garbage contributed with my solitary no vote standing there amongst a sea of green.

That indeed seems to be the standard scenario - same here, all the time. No matter how glaring the error(s), people happily keep clicking "yes"... I think part of the problem is that the rules have become so complicated that hardly anyone even bothers to look at them anymore - and judging from wildly opposing decisions on the same matters, the screeners don't know it all by heart, either.
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In your analogy it'd be like driving home 10 times, being seen by the cops every time, and still not getting a ticket. That doesn't seem very likely now does it?

I suppose not... unless you're carrying a badge of your own. 

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I've seen some absolute garbage contributed with my solitary no vote standing there amongst a sea of green.

That indeed seems to be the standard scenario - same here, all the time. No matter how glaring the error(s), people happily keep clicking "yes"... I think part of the problem is that the rules have become so complicated that hardly anyone even bothers to look at them anymore - and judging from wildly opposing decisions on the same matters, the screeners don't know it all by heart, either.



Just a personal opinion here... but I think the whole "accept profiles that add significant value" confuses things for some people too. I see a lot of people make comments about things not in the rules/against the rules being accepted not taking this into account.
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Just a personal opinion here... but I think the whole "accept profiles that add significant value" confuses things for some people too. I see a lot of people make comments about things not in the rules/against the rules being accepted not taking this into account.

Next time you find a cockroach in your gourmet dinner just keep this in mind.

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huh?  Don't know what you are meaning.

It is Invelos' policy to "accept profiles that add significant value" as stated by Ken HERE. I personally don't agree with this stance. But it is what it is.

And as I said... I believe this stance confuses things for some people too. I see a lot of people make comments about things not in the rules/against the rules being accepted not taking this into account.

so what do you mean by... "Next time you find a cockroach in your gourmet dinner just keep this in mind."??
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I've seen some absolute garbage contributed with my solitary no vote standing there amongst a sea of green.

That indeed seems to be the standard scenario - same here, all the time. No matter how glaring the error(s), people happily keep clicking "yes"... I think part of the problem is that the rules have become so complicated that hardly anyone even bothers to look at them anymore - and judging from wildly opposing decisions on the same matters, the screeners don't know it all by heart, either.

Indeed, I have found that 'yes' votes, as well as screener acceptance, means very little.

Just recently, I voted no to a change that was 100% incorrect.  I was the only no vote vs. 22 yes votes.  The profile was accepted and, because I knew it was wrong, I changed it back.  My submission got the same 22 yes votes and was approved.  Had the screeners simply paid attention to my detailed no vote, it could have saved a lot of time.
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It is Invelos' policy to "accept profiles that add significant value" as stated by Ken HERE. I personally don't agree with this stance. But it is what it is.

I realize it's not your policy.  I was just making an analogy to a contribution with "significant value" + garbage.


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Just recently, I voted no to a change that was 100% incorrect.  I was the only no vote vs. 22 yes votes.  The profile was accepted and, because I knew it was wrong, I changed it back.  My submission got the same 22 yes votes and was approved.

You're a much more patient person than I am.  I would have locked my profile and let the screeners have their db.

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Gotcha... I thought you were speaking to me in particular. 
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Just recently, I voted no to a change that was 100% incorrect.  I was the only no vote vs. 22 yes votes.  The profile was accepted and, because I knew it was wrong, I changed it back.  My submission got the same 22 yes votes and was approved.

You're a much more patient person than I am.  I would have locked my profile and let the screeners have their db.

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I don't know... I like Martian's way better I think. I mean if the screener makes such a mistake they deserve to have their workload increased! 
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Additionally, if that's the argument, then why don't we enter six sound editors using a group divider? Surely a group of six sound editors (one credit in header form with six names below it) is a "logical grouping" as well?


If there was a heading to it like Sound Services provided by XYZ, you bet.  Just because there are 6 executive producers does not a group make.

When songs are listed, they are proceeded (usually) by the song name.  Under the song name there may be things like

Music by
Written by
Lyrics by
performed by
orchestrated by
Produced by

Any others-

A combination of these do make a group, unfortunately, we only track one type.  I have contributed where there were 2 or more writers (is that ok for a group). 

Most VFX Houses only have 1 tracked contribution  VFX/DFX Supervisor.  This is not a group.

So since they do have a heading of a type, I will group them.

(As far as Sound Editors, I wish I could group them under Post Production Sound Services)

Charlie
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