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Registered: August 23, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,656 |
| Posted: | | | | Actually, the Teen Wolf / Teen Wolf 2 is a good example.
It's basically laid out the same as The Parent Trap, the only difference being the header. One uses "Double Feature" the other uses "The Parent Trap 2-Movie Collection", then subsequently the movie titles contained within. There really is no difference.
Alternatively, if you want to go by font size, the "Comedy Double Feature" appears to have a bigger font then the subsequent movie titles.
They aren't different circumstances, just different DVDs. Exact same circumstance, just the titles are different.
That said, I don't think they should be resubmitted by any stretch.
Do you have any examples of where a collection's title is simply named one of the movies within? (I'm genuinely curious to see it, not being a smartass.)
(Note: Dawn of the Dead: The Ultimate Collection comes to mind as an almost, but it's the different cuts of the same movie, not different movies.) | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. |
| Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,087 |
| Posted: | | | | I also see the differences Addicted2DVD mentions. How about this: Title: Fantastic 4 Edition: 2-Movie Collection Just because the titles of the two included movies are not written in big letters like on the op movie, we leave them out? (in smaller letters: includes: Fantastic 4 & Fantastic 4: Rise of the Silver Surfer) I would always go with 2-Movie Collection or similar in Edition field. If the "title" on cover matches to both included movies like Parent Trap or Fantastic 4, I would take this as title. At movies that are just listed separate, I would go with title1 / title2: 2-Movie Collection. But some clarification would be good, because there are many examples like these in database and very much variations. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | No others in my personal collection... but as I said... even if this is the first one to appear I can only go by as it seems to be. And as I said... of the actual voters who has this title a huge majority of them thinks what I put is correct. And this is going by both the votes and the comments... as I have been watching the comments on this one.
Now... if the actual voters where to say they think it should all be in the title field I would go with that (as it could be that only I am looking at it as an edition... even though earlier posts here proves I am not). But to this point none of them is asking for such a change.
Also... the Teen Wolf set is no different then any of the others in that post. None of them has a name for the release over the names of the included movies. | | | Pete |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting VirusPil: Quote: I also see the differences Addicted2DVD mentions.
How about this:
Title: Fantastic 4 Edition: 2-Movie Collection
Just because the titles of the two included movies are not written in big letters like on the op movie, we leave them out? (in smaller letters: includes: Fantastic 4 & Fantastic 4: Rise of the Silver Surfer)
I would always go with 2-Movie Collection or similar in Edition field. If the "title" on cover matches to both included movies like Parent Trap or Fantastic 4, I would take this as title.
At movies that are just listed separate, I would go with title1 / title2: 2-Movie Collection.
But some clarification would be good, because there are many examples like these in database and very much variations. Thank You... there is another one. | | | Pete |
| Registered: August 23, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,656 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting VirusPil: Quote: I also see the differences Addicted2DVD mentions.
How about this:
Title: Fantastic 4 Edition: 2-Movie Collection
Just because the titles of the two included movies are not written in big letters like on the op movie, we leave them out? (in smaller letters: includes: Fantastic 4 & Fantastic 4: Rise of the Silver Surfer)
I would always go with 2-Movie Collection or similar in Edition field. If the "title" on cover matches to both included movies like Parent Trap or Fantastic 4, I would take this as title.
At movies that are just listed separate, I would go with title1 / title2: 2-Movie Collection. Thanks! Great example, although I feel the same way I do about Parent Trap. Quote: But some clarification would be good, because there are many examples like these in database and very much variations. Ken or Gerri, you reading this? Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote: And as I said... of the actual voters who has this title a huge majority of them thinks what I put is correct. Believe me, I have no problem with this, but I also constantly read time and time again on this forum that popular vote means nothing. It doesn't affect me, as I don't own the title, but a ruling for future (and current) titles/changes would be nice because, honestly, what is to stop me from changing the title of the Dirty Harry Collection to Dirty Harry? Quote: Also... the Teen Wolf set is no different then any of the others in that post. None of them has a name for the release over the names of the included movies. You are right, it is no different than any others in the post, but, in comparison to the Parent Trap, it's the same thing, just a different header. That's what I meant by that. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote: Are you saying the following titles need to be submitted?...
The Girls' Night In Collection: Just Like Heaven / Win a Date with Tad Hamilton! / How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days / What Women Want / Forces of Nature
The Karate Kid Collection: The Karate Kid: Special Edition / The Karate Kid II / The Karate Kid Part III / The Next Karate Kid
Dirty Harry Collection: Dirty Harry / Magnum Force / The Enforcer / Sudden Impact / The Dead Pool No. These titles indicate very clearly that they are COLLECTIONS, so when you see the title you know immediately that they are just that. Using just 'Parent Trap' in the title field does not tell me it is a collection. The edition field might, but the title does not. | | | Hal |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Why must we always resort to hyperbole? Why can't we just use a little common sense? Yes, the rule tells us to "use the title from the front cover," but it doesn't tell us we can't use the spine to determine which portions of the text, printed on the front, are the actual title. While I haven't seen every release, I don't believe I have seen one that doesn't have the actual title printed on the spine. To me, that is a good indication as to what the actual title is.
That being said, I can see Alien's point. The problem is, the rules specifically tell us to use the Edition field "for indicating special versions and collections." Well, '2-Movie Collection' indicates a collection, so I can see Pete's point as well. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: No. These titles indicate very clearly that they are COLLECTIONS, so when you see the title you know immediately that they are just that. Using just 'Parent Trap' in the title field does not tell me it is a collection. The edition field might, but the title does not. I am a tad confused by your stance here. Last I checked, per the rules, it is the edition field, not the title field, that is supposed to indicate special versions and collections. Yes, on occasion, depending on the actual title of the set, you can determine this by looking at the title, but that isn't what it is designed for. If is simply there to indicate the title of the DVD. No more, no less. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: Why must we always resort to hyperbole? Why can't we just use a little common sense? Yes, the rule tells us to "use the title from the front cover," but it doesn't tell us we can't use the spine to determine which portions of the text, printed on the front, are the actual title.
That seems slightly contradictory to me. We take the Title from the cover. Period. We cannot use the spine or the credit block as others have advocated in the past. Is it possible that because of the size of the spine that the full title simply does not fit? Maybe that's why it is not a reliable (or permissible) source for the title? I do not consider a re-statement of the Rules to be hyperbole. | | | Hal |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: Quoting hal9g:
Quote: No. These titles indicate very clearly that they are COLLECTIONS, so when you see the title you know immediately that they are just that. Using just 'Parent Trap' in the title field does not tell me it is a collection. The edition field might, but the title does not. I am a tad confused by your stance here. Last I checked, per the rules, it is the edition field, not the title field, that is supposed to indicate special versions and collections. Yes, on occasion, depending on the actual title of the set, you can determine this by looking at the title, but that isn't what it is designed for. If is simply there to indicate the title of the DVD. No more, no less. Please read the whole thread. Pete asked specifically about the release called 'The Dirty Harry Collection' (and two other similar collections) which contains 5 movies if I'm not mistaken. The title of the Boxset profile is 'The Dirty Harry Collection'. 'The Dirty Harry Collection' does not go in the Edition field of the boxset profile. It does go in the Edition field of all the child profiles. | | | Hal | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: Quoting TheMadMartian:
Quote: Quoting hal9g:
Quote: No. These titles indicate very clearly that they are COLLECTIONS, so when you see the title you know immediately that they are just that. Using just 'Parent Trap' in the title field does not tell me it is a collection. The edition field might, but the title does not. I am a tad confused by your stance here. Last I checked, per the rules, it is the edition field, not the title field, that is supposed to indicate special versions and collections. Yes, on occasion, depending on the actual title of the set, you can determine this by looking at the title, but that isn't what it is designed for. If is simply there to indicate the title of the DVD. No more, no less.
Please read the whole thread. Pete asked specifically about the release called 'The Dirty Harry Collection' 9and two other similar collections) which contains 5 movies if I'm not mistaken. The title of the Boxset profile is 'The Dirty Harry Collection'. 'The Dirty Harry Collection' does not go in the Edition field of the boxset profile. It DOES go in the Edition field of all the child profiles. I just like you see the Dirty Harry Collection as the title of the release. And that is no different as seeing The Parent Trap being the title of this one... or Fantastic 4 being the title in VirusPil's example. That is why I don't see the titles listed in The Parent Trap as part of the title. And don't see the titles listed in the Fantastic Four as part of the title... just like I don't see the list of the movies being part of the title in Dirty Harry. So it seems to me you making just as much a difference as you think I am when it comes to stuff like Teen Wolf / Teen Wolf Too. | | | Pete |
| Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,087 |
| Posted: | | | | How about this Harry Potter box sets?
Most of them are some kind like "Harry Potter: Years 1-3", (Year 1-4), ... And there are in most cases the second part of the titles also on front cover. Should it be Harry Potter: Years 1-3: Sorcerer's Stone/Chamber of Secrets/Prisoner of Askaban?
I know, also not the perfect example, but why do we make differences if a box set is differently named than the single movie?
Would we also discuss this if at the head of the cover, instead of "The Parent Trap" there would be "The Parent Trap Stories"?
Or would we all say it is Box Set Title: The Parent Trap Stories Edition: 2-Movie Collection (title of the single movies in child profiles)? | | | Last edited: by VirusPil |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote: I just like you see the Dirty Harry Collection as the title of the release. And that is no different as seeing The Parent Trap being the title of this one... or Fantastic 4 being the title in VirusPil's example. That is why I don't see the titles listed in The Parent Trap as part of the title. And don't see the titles listed in the Fantastic Four as part of the title... just like I don't see the list of the movies being part of the title in Dirty Harry.
So it seems to me you making just as much a difference as you think I am when it comes to stuff like Teen Wolf / Teen Wolf Too. Of course it's different! The title 'The Dirty Harry Collection' tells you it is a collection. 'The Parent Trap' does not. 'Fantastic 4' does not. | | | Hal |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: That seems slightly contradictory to me. We take the Title from the cover. Period. We cannot use the spine or the credit block as others have advocated in the past. Is it possible that because of the size of the spine that the full title simply does not fit? Maybe that's why it is not a reliable (or permissible) source for the title?
I do not consider a re-statement of the Rules to be hyperbole. I don't consider it hyperbole either. In this case, I was refering to using common sense. While your 'maybe' is possible, as I said in my post, I have don't recall ever seeing a release that didn't include the actual title on the spine. If you can show me one, I will retract that statement. In addition, the rules tell us where to get the title from, not what the title is. If the only place I can find the title is the front of the case, and I am not allowed to use any other source to determine what that title is, shouldn't we just enter everything that is printed on the front of the case? I mean, who's to say what the title is, right? That, btw, is what I consider 'hyperbole'. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: Please read the whole thread. Pete asked specifically about the release called 'The Dirty Harry Collection' (and two other similar collections) which contains 5 movies if I'm not mistaken. The title of the Boxset profile is 'The Dirty Harry Collection'. 'The Dirty Harry Collection' does not go in the Edition field of the boxset profile. It does go in the Edition field of all the child profiles. Please be so kind as to read my whole post, before telling me to read the whole thread. I already addressed this point when I said, and I quote, "Yes, on occasion, depending on the actual title of the set, you can determine this by looking at the title, but that isn't what it is designed for." 'The Dirty Harry Collection' would be covered under that portion of my post. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Alien Redrum: Quote:
Quoting Addicted2DVD:
Quote: And as I said... of the actual voters who has this title a huge majority of them thinks what I put is correct.
Believe me, I have no problem with this, but I also constantly read time and time again on this forum that popular vote means nothing.
It doesn't affect me, as I don't own the title, but a ruling for future (and current) titles/changes would be nice because, honestly, what is to stop me from changing the title of the Dirty Harry Collection to Dirty Harry? Popular Vote means nothing when there is an obvious rule in place. But when it comes to putting something up for vote that is not obvious... that could go different ways per rules... what else can you go by? | | | Pete |
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