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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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But it shouldn't be arbitrary either.  I think you need to prove your case with facts.  Obviously there are some cases where it may very well be obvious, but I would imagine that most are not. 

Show me proof, then I can agree.  But just because a person "feels" that this does not belong, does not make it so.

Charlie

I agree with Charlie here.  It looks like Ace is removing them simply because he feels inconvenienced.  For me, that just isn't a good enough reason.
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If there are no contribution notes, and no voters expressing their opinion, it is likely that the data entry is incorrect.

You're forgetting that there are numerous users who never visit the website, and thus never vote. I'm pretty sure that we who do vote constitute a minority of the users.
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When I'm adding titles to my wishlist, I don't like having to look through a bunch to figure out which one will probably match the UPC when I purchase it. Basically, it makes good data harder to find.

When I'm adding UPCs to my purchased list, I want to see the title. If you get them removed, I see nothing at all. Basically, it makes good data much harder to find.

So what it comes down to is that either you have to change UPC if the delivered item has a different UPC than the one you entered in your wishlist, or I have to create a whole new profile because you removed good (though incomplete) data.

Do you really think that the inconvenience of changing UPC should trump the inconvenience of adding a whole new profile?
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As a guy who lives in Canada, which has maybe like, one tenth of the voters/contributors that a larger locality like the U.S. has, I can quickly scan my own local and look back on contributions I've made, and count at least six examples of profiles that at one point contained a cover scan that didn't match the UPC of the profile and that had zero contribution notes contained for the profile. They were all still very valid profiles indeed, and after a bit of work on my part, they now contain correct information and correct cover scans. So throw me into the group that thinks more care and consideration should be taken when asking for profiles to be removed. Sometimes it really is a simple matter of only a handful of people owning the profile in question and possibly having some people who own the profile not actually voting on it.

I see the arguement that indeed those profiles in question could absolutely contain some really bad information (all the ones I corrected had terrible information in them), but I don't see the arguement of making it harder to choose one profile to put in your wishlist. Find the movie you want to put in your wishlist, put a profile for it in, and when/if you purchase that movie and it has a different UPC, delete it from your wishlist and add the one you bought to your owned collection. (And really, if there's thirty valid releases of a movie all with different UPCs, how do you know which UPC is going to be the one you end up buying anyway?) I do it every single Tuesday. Canadian profiles are VERY rarely added ahead of time due to it being harder to find pre-release info for them (such as the correct UPC). Therefore I add the U.S. pre-release profile to my wishlist and when I buy the Canadian profile with a different UPC, I delete the U.S. one from my wishlist and add the Canadian one to my local and the system. There's absolutely no inconvenience at all about right clicking and choosing "delete from wishlist" in my opinion.

If you're worried about bad data, run the repair tool and remove unused crew/actors/studios from your local. Really, every single time you add a profile to your wishlist, you're inviting bad data into your local anyway.

I don't feel like the arguement of it making it harder to choose which profile to put into your wishlist really holds too much water in this instance. Sorry. Just an opinion and no offense meant!
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... and after a bit of work on my part, they now contain correct information ...


Your recent contributions of R2 France "Black rain" and "Bone Collector", still pending, (titles that you do not own) add fictitious data. Since I never vote, you will not get no votes from me, but the change will mess the database. Since this database is no more a database, this has indeed not too much importance.
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Oh great, another thread about accents. How is it we got on this subject?

The way this works in Wikipedia (and I think it's a good rule) is the burden of proof is on whoever wants the entry to be there. It's simple to prove something is valid, nearly impossible to prove it's invalid. If things like cover scans that don't match the entry aren't evidence an entry is invalid, I have no idea how you're ever supposed to remove anything.
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... and after a bit of work on my part, they now contain correct information ...


Your recent contributions of R2 France "Black rain" and "Bone Collector", still pending, (titles that you do not own) add fictitious data. Since I never vote, you will not get no votes from me, but the change will mess the database. Since this database is no more a database, this has indeed not too much importance.


Yes, titles I do not own. Titles I do not own, that I specifically put in my contribution notes, "I do NOT own this profile" allowing absolutely everyone voting on the contribution to know what was going on (thanks to everyone who rated those contribution notes positively, I'm assuming because I was upfront and honest about the situation and simply because I was trying to help the community). Currently the submissions I've made have a total of 226 yes votes for them. I'd like to say two things:

1) I find it more than slightly rude that you would bring something that has absolutely nothing to do with this particular conversation into the discussion to try and paint me into a bad light (the titles I submitted and you commented on are not the titles this conversation is about). It was completely unnecessary and out of place.

2) You can continue to talk about fictitious data all you please. However, as per Invelos' guidelines and rules, my contributions absolutely meet their criteria and standards. I'm sorry if they don't meet yours. If you have a problem, bring it up with Ken. Please don't bring outside topics into a conversation to try and paint me into a bad light for following the rules set out for us, when I was simply giving an opinion about the topic being discussed in this thread. If you want to start a discussion about fictitious data, start a thread about it and stop derailing other valid conversations.

That's all I wish to say about that topic. The actual conversation at hand was about removing profiles and why Ace_of_Stevens feels he's justified in submitting certain profiles for deletion from the system, and why others feel that maybe it shouldn't be done. If we can return to that now...
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If you have a problem, bring it up with Ken.


I have no problem with Ken. He validated May 14, 2010 rules that say the same thing as I do. Your contributions are not in accordance with those rules. FYI, they can be found here.

I did not want to distract the topic, I just made a remark about what you said.
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If you're worried about bad data, run the repair tool and remove unused crew/actors/studios from your local.

Again: this is not a question of "if you don't see it, it doesn't hurt you". It does. Of course I understand that I can clean up my local database, but bad data in the online database still affects the CLT numbers, which people subsequently use to propagate incorrect IMDb-mined names.
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.... but bad data in the online database still affects the CLT numbers, which people subsequently use to propagate incorrect IMDb-mined names.


CLT numbers are mainly affected by fictitious data recently contributed. Those data are against rules, as they exist updated May, 2010.
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Those data are against rules, as they exist updated May, 2010.

No, they are not - you are flat out wrong, and you know it. I'm very sorry, but I won't bite any further - you've derailed enough threads with this nonsense as it is.
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If you have a problem, bring it up with Ken.


I have no problem with Ken. He validated May 14, 2010 rules that say the same thing as I do. Your contributions are not in accordance with those rules. FYI, they can be found here.

I did not want to distract the topic, I just made a remark about what you said.


A post which twists my words, is more than slightly condescending and provides a link to absolutely no proof to back-up your stance. This off-topic conversation between us is officially done.
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If you're worried about bad data, run the repair tool and remove unused crew/actors/studios from your local.

Again: this is not a question of "if you don't see it, it doesn't hurt you". It does. Of course I understand that I can clean up my local database, but bad data in the online database still affects the CLT numbers, which people subsequently use to propagate incorrect IMDb-mined names.


I never said it doesn't hurt you and I believe you read the quoted part of my post out of context. The bad data stuff I wrote was one very small part of my post and was simply a way of saying to Ace "if you're worried about this aspect, for your local, and your local only, here's a quick fix."

I actively take part in common name threads, submit corrections to names when common names are determined, spend entirely too much time dissecting CLT results and have taken more than a little heat for submitting to profiles I don't own in an effort to help the community and clean up the CLT results. I fully and absolutely understand the ramifications of bad data in the system. That however, wasn't really what my post was about.

My stance on the subject (topics of bad data and such aside), is that one should be very careful when submitting a profile for deletion from the system simply because it hasn't been updated or has incorrect cover scans. I've had those in my collection, and they're still valid profiles, they just needed someone to contribute the proper information to them. Submitting profiles for deletion from the system when it's entirely possible they could be valid profiles just to thin out the numbers to make it easier to guess which UPC you might buy (and add that to your wishlist) isn't enough of a reason to have those profiles deleted, in my opinion. I feel there has to be more solid concrete evidence behind requesting a title to be deleted. That's what my post was trying to convey.
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I have had only 5 or 6 of the profiles that were submitted to be deleted and they all seemed to have missed typed upcs. The correct upcs are also in the database so I don't see a problem removing the bad ones.
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Mostly same with me, some mistyped UPCs and a few bootlegs 

And both should be removed

Valid profiles without good updates should of course not be removed.

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I have had only 5 or 6 of the profiles that were submitted to be deleted and they all seemed to have missed typed upcs. The correct upcs are also in the database so I don't see a problem removing the bad ones.


The question is... were these different UPCs really just mistyped? or is it another UPC for that title... one that is less popular then the other. I have seen this before... matter of fact I have a few where I have the less popular UPC... and the profiles were in terrible shape till I got them updated.

What we are saying is you can't go only by "They Seem to be Mistyped UPCs".
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