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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | LOL, Tim. I think the above data clearly dismantles your argument. Screen Story By is NOT OMB.
There is an OMB credit clearly per the Rules
There IS clearly a Screenplay By per the Rules
Niow we have this mysterious Screen STORY BY, that you claim is an OMB, and I say you are clearly dead wrong, completely so, Tim. Just follow the data it adds up almost like a Math equation | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: May 20, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | I am not arguing over the credit. I am debating the divider usage.... |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | That's why I was careful in my choice of words, Charlie. On the divider, I am not sure. I tend to think NOT. Let me try and explain. In the Cast section we apply the divider and typically the Roles are removed, we have to do it but that is now the procedure. In Crew we can't do that, we can't create a Written by divider and just list the names.
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| | Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
That's why I was careful in my choice of words, Charlie. On the divider, I am not sure. I tend to think NOT. Let me try and explain. In the Cast section we apply the divider and typically the Roles are removed, we have to do it but that is now the procedure. In Crew we can't do that, we can't create a Written by divider and just list the names.
Skip Remove the roles, not necessarily If we have band XXXX yyy as guitarist zzz as Bassist The the roles do not get removed, but is still provided under a group role.... |
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| | Posted: | | | | That's not the type of Role I was referring to, Charlie. I said typically, not all the time, but in the case of crew we are NEVER able to remove the Role when it is repetitive. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | If it were Cast, Charlie, it would be
Written By or Writers whatever
Marty
Joe
Sam
But in crew that can't happen
Written By Writers or whatever
Marty Written By
Joe Written by
Sam Written By
In cast repetitive Written By would disappear | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| | Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | And we are not here, just grouping them under a single header. When we group VFX company, we do not remove the role... |
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| | Posted: | | | | I see that as a different issue Charlie, as MOST, again not ALL, you and I have both seen the exceptions, of the roles under a company divider are going to be specific, though i have seen the instances that would ideally like to be nested. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | So you cannot see
Based on the Original Motion Picture Bedazzled
Peter Cooke OMB(Screenplay by)
Peter Cooke OMB(Story by) (unfortunately, probably not necessary under Online DB)
Dudley Moore OMB(Story by)
Larry Gelbart: Screenwriter (Screenplay By)
Harold Ramis: Screenwriter (Screenplay By)
Peter Tolan: Screenwriter (Screenplay By)
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I don't know, I think I need to chew on it awhile. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| | Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
If it were Cast, Charlie, it would be
Written By or Writers whatever
Marty
Joe
Sam
But in crew that can't happen
Written By Writers or whatever
Marty Written By
Joe Written by
Sam Written By
In cast repetitive Written By would disappear And as far as this, we are not even arguing. If it says written by XXX and YYY, that is 2 separate credits, this is not a group.... |
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| | Posted: | | | | And again, I want to reiterate.
I want a simple yes or no as to whether it is allowed by the rules, and why.
Then we need to discuss whether it should be. |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Corne: Quote:
The same thing you can say then about Visual Effects studio credits, for example:
Lucas Film Visual Effects Supervisor YYY XXX Actually, the same thing can't be said about company credits as that is specifically addressed in the rules: List individual credits only, not company name credits. Exception: If a company name heads a group of crew, use the Group divider to enter the company name.Quote:
And look at the part that I have made bold. Indeed a header, not a role. Together they were as a team responsible for the writing of the original film. You are making an assumption as the credit does not tell us that they worked as a 'team', just that they worked on that film. This is a group role, nothing more. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote:
And again, I want to reiterate.
I want a simple yes or no as to whether it is allowed by the rules, and why. T!M, hal and myself have done this, have we not?  Quote:
Then we need to discuss whether it should be. It isn't and shouldn't be allowed. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
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We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting CharlieM:
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And again, I want to reiterate.
I want a simple yes or no as to whether it is allowed by the rules, and why.
T!M, hal and myself have done this, have we not?
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Then we need to discuss whether it should be.
It isn't and shouldn't be allowed. Agree with T!M, Hal and TheMadMartian. This can get way out of hand when multiple people are credited with the same crew role (eg. Sound, Re-Recording Mixer, Executive Producers, etc). I do not agree with CharlieM that these fall under "logical groupings". | | | ...James
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| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | I disagree.
The writers who worked on the original Bedazzled to me is a logical grouping, a crew team.
The problem is the rules use these phrases, but don't specify their exact meaning, leaving it to interpretation.
That means some people will see it as against the rules, others will see it as following the rules.
I don't agree that it will have a knock-on effect when you have a list of executive producers, or writers etc. That to me, doesn't warrant a "crew team" definition, it's just a list of people who did the same job.
But in this example, you have two people credited with 3 different jobs, all under the heading: "Based on the motion picture BEDAZZLED", that to me is a logical grouping. The film credits has grouped them together, so why can't we? |
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