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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ah but there is a definition, and while some Adapteds may fit, others don't. therein lies the rub. And even so Adapted from is another medium really, if it was Adapted from a book, the book is another medium, but the Adaptation probably isn't.
Adapted for the screen is another medium? I doubt it. Your attempt at defining Adapted seems pretty loosey-goosey.
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Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Quoting VirusPil:
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Skip, I agree, that this would solve such problems and stop this discussions. (Adding all as written on screen)
But this would imho not be much user-friendly. (Much more work to create a profile)
On the actual credits, Profiler lists, many users can imagine what they do, but do they also with the complete accurate crew credits?
Does a "normal" user really want to have all the complete job credits? Just look in how much different Visual Effects credits are possible:
www.visualeffectssociety.com/system/files/15/files/titles-release.pdf
Does the normal user really know the difference of all of them?
I think the solution Invelos made is very good. There are some main cast credits in which some jobs are joined.
For all that want more information and the accurate credit is the possibilty of entering them as custom crew. (Perhaps there is a possibility to share with other users that want it that definite?)
I understand all of those ramifications, trust me, they give me nightmares.  BUT I am desperate to stop the endless back and forth coupled inanity and back-handed insults that usually accompany them as they have here. I keep having visions of somebody somewhere listing ALL of the credits for LOTR  BUT even so, I still think it's the best answer and I would couple it to a way for users to be able to pick and choose exactly which Crew data they wanted to be a part of their database. The good news despite all of the nightmares, it would elevate Profiler to a whole new level of accuracy, that i don't think has been matched by anybody. Now back to my nightmares.
Skip I promise this is the last time I'll be off-topic in this thread. Thanks for this Skip. Brought me some really good big loughs.  I think this not DVD Addiction this is credit addiction.  After LOTR we do the full cast and crew of Red Cliff. (And I don't think this are all) Serious again: Perhaps there is a way or could be implanted a way to share the complete and accurate custom credits, so that users that want this can share with others and therefore take benefit of a teamwork. Btw, are the custom credits also linked? If you want to have the full crew of e.g. LOTR in complete accuracy, why not taking screenshots and implant that in your Layout? There should be a way over html window. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Virus: If somebody really wanted to do full Crew for LOTR, I would probably throw myself off Red Cliff.  Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | When a film is remade, the original screenwriters get an OMB credit. No adaptation between mediums there either.
If someone doesn't include an OMB for an adapted by credit, I won't vote no.
If someone does include an OMB for an adapted by credit, I won't vote no.
If someone tries to remove and existing OMB for an adapted by credit, I will vote no.
I would include it if I were the contributor.
Let's leave it at that. | | | ...James
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Virus: If somebody really wanted to do full Crew for LOTR, I would probably throw myself off Red Cliff. @James Somebody shaping the direction of the screenplay does not in any way sound like OMB, or that they are dealing with another medium. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
When a film is remade, the original screenwriters get an OMB credit. No adaptation between mediums there either.
If someone doesn't include an OMB for an adapted by credit, I won't vote no.
If someone does include an OMB for an adapted by credit, I won't vote no.
If someone tries to remove and existing OMB for an adapted by credit, I will vote no.
I would include it if I were the contributor.
Let's leave it at that. They do, since when. I list them as Screenwriters because they are, and then I list the ACTUAL CREDIT. They aren't OMB and can't even be interpreted as OMB. Forum Moderator: Removed personal comment. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Forum Moderator |
| | Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Could be language problem, so please correct me if I'm wrong.
To make an adaption there always has to be some kind of base to adapt?
So this base would be some kind of original material. So a person who adapts something couldn't get an OMB. (Because he didn't make the original material)
In this case there can be this possibilities:
- Like Hal wrote in his last post: The "Adapted for the screen by" credit has overworked/adapted the story the credited writers wrote.
- There is some kind of original material we don't know (and the OMB is not even in the credit) and the "Adapted for the screen by" credit has overworked/adapted this material.
- The "Adapted for the screen by" is "a writer shapes the direction of screenplay construction without qualifying for "Screenplay by" credit." (see m.cellophane post under: 10. "Adaptation by")
So it would be some kind of writting credit, but imho not a credit we can list without doubts. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Quoting m.cellophane:
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When a film is remade, the original screenwriters get an OMB credit. No adaptation between mediums there either.
They do, since when. I list them as Screenwriters because they are, and then I list the ACTUAL CREDIT. They aren't OMB and can't even be interpreted as OMB. I hope I have misunderstood as that would be wrong.  If someone is credited as "Based on the screenplay by," they get an OMB credit as that was the original material that the new screenplay was based on. They can't be listed as screenwriters as they did not write the screenplay for the new movie, so it has to be OMB. If it isn't OMB, then they don't get listed and that just doesn't make any sense to me. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
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Quoting m.cellophane:
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When a film is remade, the original screenwriters get an OMB credit. No adaptation between mediums there either.
They do, since when. I list them as Screenwriters because they are, and then I list the ACTUAL CREDIT. They aren't OMB and can't even be interpreted as OMB.
I hope I have misunderstood as that would be wrong.
If someone is credited as "Based on the screenplay by," they get an OMB credit as that was the original material that the new screenplay was based on. They can't be listed as screenwriters as they did not write the screenplay for the new movie, so it has to be OMB. If it isn't OMB, then they don't get listed and that just doesn't make any sense to me. Agree. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | No, Martian you do not misunderstand me. The Rules for OMB says "Adapted from another medium. A remade screenplay is NOT another medium, it is the SAME MEDIUM, therefore it cannot be OMB..no way, and I don't recall ever seeing any such discussion or agreement. A Screenplay is a Screenplay is a Screenplay, that simple, especially with our new ability to capture the Actual Credit. So you would have a credit that might Based on the original Screenplay by Joe Blow and Screenplay By Mary Jones, two different under the same heading and there is no way that the first one can be OMB, it is not another medium. Based on the play is another medium, but not another screenplay, that's bizarre...based on the Rules and the Credit Chart.
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Don't forget we are talking about another medium. So let's really confuse and perjhaps it will help you understand.
Based on the Novel By
Based on the original SCREENPLAY by
Screenplay by
You have an OMB and two Screenplay credits, and i would list The Custom role as Original Screenplay By, I would include the same in my notes so that we have a record of the exact credit for one, all and future reference and poof it's done. But OMB...not a chance.
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | I am sorry, but you do not have two screenplay credits. "Based on the original screenplay by" is not in the credit chart. If it isn't OMB, which I believe it is, then it can't be entered. To enter that person as screenwriter, however, just pollutes the data with misinformation.
The screenwriter credit is for the person who wrote the screenplay for the film being profiled. It is not for tracking the person who wrote a screenplay for a completely different film. To use it that way just doesn't make any sense to me. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | It is not another medium, Martian. It is a screenplay however. But you are correct it cannot come in under OMB...not a chance. The Rule very clearly delineates ANOTHER MEDIUM. It's not Play, not poem, not a book, not a tape recording, it's a SCREENPLAY.
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
I am sorry, but you do not have two screenplay credits. "Based on the original screenplay by" is not in the credit chart. If it isn't OMB, which I believe it is, then it can't be entered. To enter that person as screenwriter, however, just pollutes the data with misinformation.
The screenwriter credit is for the person who wrote the screenplay for the film being profiled. It is not for tracking the person who wrote a screenplay for a completely different film. To use it that way just doesn't make any sense to me. I have to ask, since that is an interpretation that appears NOWHERE in the Rules. Where did it come from. As long as you admit out of your head, you are fine, but it is NOT in the Rules. Not even remotely. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting VirusPil: Quote:
Could be language problem, so please correct me if I'm wrong.
To make an adaption there always has to be some kind of base to adapt?
So this base would be some kind of original material. So a person who adapts something couldn't get an OMB. (Because he didn't make the original material)
Well, something could be re-adapted. Person A writes a screenplay based on Person B's TV series which was in turn based on C & D's comic book or something. |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
I keep having visions of somebody somewhere listing ALL of the credits for LOTR No need to have visions about this, it has been done. We call it endcredits.   Sorry Skip, couldn't resist | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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