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Leaving Due to "Big Brother" Double Standards
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantTheDarkKnight
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That is so true! But then again trolls are sneaky little critters and sometimes you have to get bigger guns out to get rid of them.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorSpaceFreakMicha
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I certainly hope you never change that plan.  IMDb has it's purpose, and they serve that purpose rather well.  I see no reason to replicate what they do, here.

For those people that want to use IMDb data in their local, there are many ways to accomplish that goal.


I totally agree! 
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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We have no plans to license the IMDB data at this time.

I certainly hope you never change that plan.  IMDb has it's purpose, and they serve that purpose rather well.  I see no reason to replicate what they do, here.

For those people that want to use IMDb data in their local, there are many ways to accomplish that goal.

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Thanks for the tip
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorLewis_Prothero
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Never had a legal issue with other sites i think you can use it for certain info without being penalised for it.


And lucky you are

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Is it possible to give a green arrow to a moderator, or will that green arrow just wastefully go to the originally poster whose post has been edited... 'cause that one had me rolling on the floor!    (and it's nice to actually know why a post was edited and that it's justified!)
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantGraveworm
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I am sorry the OP is going. I don't feel that is at odds with my complete support with the need to source the data as far is as possible from the disk and the film credits. It is easy to access IMDB and all the other databases. We have failed, if people leave because they don't understand the benefits of DVDprofiler over these.
As an aside we actually cause ourselves problems sometimes with the constant demands for sources. The knowledge we have is relevant no matter where it comes from. Once we ask for specific sources we run into copyright issues. For example Skip's quotes of the licence and copyright notices from IMDB is a breach of those very copyright and Licence notices if he had said it would be in breach of those terms there would be no such breach.
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You know, reading their terms & conditions has me wondering if IMDb deliberately put in discrepancies between the actual film credits and what we see. The way I understand it, they can't copyright the credits as they don't own that info themselves. However, if they change them slightly, be it a different spelling, different order, etc... they could say it's their info.
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributorhal9g
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Registered: March 13, 2007
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IMDb was in contact with Invelos back when it was Intervocative about this very thing.


Just curious.  What is your source for this statement?

Holy moly, that's a question... some Intervocative thread from years back. That's about as accurate as I can get. Martian indicated he remembers it too, maybe he can better answer the question. Sorry. 


I just think this is one of those "urban legends" that has become "fact" over the years.  I've been around here for a long time, and other than statements such as those made by Ken in this thread, I have never seen Ken or anyone from Intervocative (Jesse or Ken Meade) state they they in fact were contacted by IMDb or vice versa.  I definitely remember users here stating that IMDb was trying to sue Intervocative, but as far as I know, those rumors were never confirmed by Ken or anyone from the company.

Ken, care to clear up this ancient rumor for us? 

None of that changes the fact that Ken must protect himself and all of us by prohibiting copying data from any third party source.  That's just good business sense.
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributorhal9g
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You know, reading their terms & conditions has me wondering if IMDb deliberately put in discrepancies between the actual film credits and what we see. The way I understand it, they can't copyright the credits as they don't own that info themselves. However, if they change them slightly, be it a different spelling, different order, etc... they could say it's their info.


It is commonly believed that they put "markers" in their data so that it can be identified if copied elsewhere.
Hal
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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You know, reading their terms & conditions has me wondering if IMDb deliberately put in discrepancies between the actual film credits and what we see. The way I understand it, they can't copyright the credits as they don't own that info themselves. However, if they change them slightly, be it a different spelling, different order, etc... they could say it's their info.


It is commonly believed that they put "markers" in their data so that it can be identified if copied elsewhere.

I would, Hal, wouldn't you, as you said it just makes good business sense to protect your data. That, in fact was at the core of my support for removing it all and starting over, if you recall. But Ken said otherwise.

That's fine. I have also numerous times explained how to deal with this possibility in order to be true to ken's concern about removing valuable data, while breaking the connecction...without removing. If people really want to hear this again....I will be happy to explain it again.

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To my knowledge, IMDB never contacted InterVocative or Invelos for any reason.
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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It is commonly believed that they put "markers" in their data so that it can be identified if copied elsewhere.

I don't know whether or not they do but, I have seen actors credited smack dab in the middle of an IMDb profile, that are nowhere in the film credits.  So I suspect that it is true.
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributorhal9g
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To my knowledge, IMDB never contacted InterVocative or Invelos for any reason.


Thanks, Ken.
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I just think this is one of those "urban legends" that has become "fact" over the years.


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To my knowledge, IMDB never contacted InterVocative or Invelos for any reason.


Holy moly! My worldview has been altered!

Well, maybe not. But colour me surprised. Good call hal9g.
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