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I like Musical Adaptation better than OMB.

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OMB = Original Musical By. 

Just kidding, I just came up with that. 

   
Where is it written that you are allowed to be funnier than me?      

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Yeah, the problem comes in trying to write a rule that allows these things in but excludes the multitude of pop songs that are credited in modern movies just to sell soundtrack albums, and might be heard for a few seconds in the background of a scene.  I tried a couple times and couldn't get something satisfactory that would include one and exclude the other.  If you try to put it in terms of classical music then you have the problems of how that's defined.  If you use instrumental music, then Beethoven's Ode to Joy and the ubiquitous Carmina Burana by Orff are out.  It's maddening.  You either have to put it all in, or keep it all out.

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Yeah, the problem comes in trying to write a rule that allows these things in but excludes the multitude of pop songs that are credited in modern movies just to sell soundtrack albums, and might be heard for a few seconds in the background of a scene.  I tried a couple times and couldn't get something satisfactory that would include one and exclude the other.  If you try to put it in terms of classical music then you have the problems of how that's defined.  If you use instrumental music, then Beethoven's Ode to Joy and the ubiquitous Carmina Burana by Orff are out.  It's maddening.  You either have to put it all in, or keep it all out.

How about "demanding" one full lenght composition, from one single compositor, from movie start to move end? ( Would cover eg. my "infamous" Magic Flute, Romeo & Juliet, but exclude "multitudes of pop songs", To Joy, most Zarathustras & Orffs etc. )
We already have exceptions for Titles for "music and stage performance DVDs" so exceptions excists. Could that work?

IMDB uses "Original Music by" (Magic Flute) vs. "Non-Original Music by" (To Joy).

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one single compositor

Or multiple composers credited together?

Good point!

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from movie start to move end?

What about where 1 person does the score and someone else does the theme or "additional music"?

Then it is NOT as the composer intended, the score is "broken" if you see what I mean...
Then I think we will agree to NOT accept "Composer" credit.

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from movie start to move end?

What about where 1 person does the score and someone else does the theme or "additional music"?

Then it is NOT as the composer intended, the score is "broken" if you see what I mean...
Then I think we will agree to NOT accept "Composer" credit.

I wouldn't want to see that. If someone is credited as composer and a different person is credited as Theme by, I would want to be able to do what we do now which is to put the composer as composer and the Theme by as Theme. To refuse to input the composer in this circumstance doesn't seem right to me.

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Since we already now have Theme By dealt with, this seems to be irrelevant.

My response was directed at Karsten's suggestion, not at the way we deal with themes now. In that context, a composer would be denied a credit in DVDP due to the presence of a theme. In that circumstance, the composer isn't the composer of all of the music from start to finish, as Karsten suggested. That's why I pointed it out.

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Additional Music, is a different can of worms, since ADDITIONAL Music is not the only such entry in many credits and if we open the door for one...we have to open it for ALL.

I don't want to include "additional music" credits. My response was to point out that in Karsten's example, the presence of an additional music credit would preclude us from crediting the composer of the score (since the composer would not have composed all of the music from start to finish in the film).

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(or pre historic as my childen call it )

My kids once once asked if I was alive during the "black and white days". 

Just a personal opinion:
As a fan of musicals I think the rules need to be written to include the composers of the original show.
Recent film adaptations have mostly been ok because the composers have written a new, original, song for the film, eg: Phantom of the Opera - Learn to be Lonely.

However, it would be ridiculous IMO to exclude composers from musicals simply because the songs weren't written directly for the film.
What's the point if Mamma Mia! doesn't list Bjorn & Benny, or Sweeney Todd not list Sondheim?
Also - with musicals - the songs are usually re-arranged to form the score as well.

But, I don't want profiles to be listing every piece of music used in films. But if a dvd is a ballet, opera, musical, concert etc then I think we should be able to list the songwriters/composers IMO.

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Fully and totally agree with Danae Cassandra on this issue.

Not everything can be pinned on the possibility of winning an Oscar for an Original Score, as not all DVD releases contain movies. Some DVD releases contain concert registrations, ballets etc. etc., where the music was indeed written for what has been registered on DVD, i.e. a public performance.

Moreover, if this were a requirement, then why are there so many TV profiles containing a Composer?

It isn't about winning an Oscar, though that was where it started, it is about the composer of the shows original score.  It is a specific person we are after.

The best choice, and it is something that Ken is going to have to deal with, is the addition of an original music credit.  That would allow us to track the composer who's work the film was based on...or who's work was performed on the stage and was filmed...while not changing the meaning of the current credit.  JMHO