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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting hal9g:
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Since the people who are doing contributions are mere movie lovers and not for the most part film industry experts, this concept is doomed to failure. Expecting them to understand all the nuances of the different ways people are credited is just never going to work.
And I see your concern. I daresay I share it to some degree, even. But seriously: from that point of view, the recent crew additions shouldn't have happened in the first place. I couldn't agree more. The list of "new" credits is far too extensive, just as the list of "Sound" credits has been for a long time. | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
...just like I am suggesting the current wording was a mistake.
Do you really think that Ken, who wrote yesterday on this forum, is not aware of the incredible fuss made around crew roles ? And I guess that if he thought it was a mistake, he would at least have given an opinion... But he didn't... Perhaps, he will say something in one hour, two days, or never... waiting for that hypothetical change, please do not violate deliberately current rule. | | | | Images from movies |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
This argument does not even merit a reply! Funny, I was just thinking the same thing.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Do you really think that Ken, who wrote yesterday on this forum, is not aware of the incredible fuss made around crew roles ? And I guess that if he thought it was a mistake, he would at least have given an opinion... But he didn't... Do you really think that Ken who, just yesterday, posted in this forum, is not aware that many of us are ignoring this rule? I guess, if he thought we were wrong, he would at least have given an opinion...but he didn't... See how that cuts both ways? I mean, it's not like we are keeping it a secret or anything. Nice try though.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting surfeur51:
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Do you really think that Ken, who wrote yesterday on this forum, is not aware of the incredible fuss made around crew roles ? And I guess that if he thought it was a mistake, he would at least have given an opinion... But he didn't...
Do you really think that Ken who, just yesterday, posted in this forum, is not aware that many of us are ignoring this rule? I guess, if he thought we were wrong, he would at least have given an opinion...but he didn't...
See how that cuts both ways? I mean, it's not like we are keeping it a secret or anything. Nice try though. So now you're going to argue that if Ken does not come to this forum and specifically tell us that we cannot violate a specific Rule, then we are free to do so. Your logic is getting more and more twisted!  | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
I'm sorry, but that hardly seems to be a mistake and the only reason for believing that it is, is so that you can enter the roles that you want to enter as opposed to what the Rules tell us to enter. I do have to respond to this one bit as you seem to be under the mistaken impression that I want all these crew credits in my profiles. The truth of the matter is I don't. I care about the Director, the Writers, the Producers and, on rare occasions, Music, Creature Designers and Make-up Effects. As far as I am concerned, we could do away with all the rest. Just so we are clear, and there is no misunderstanding, I do not enter crew credits for myself. I do it for the people that want this information...it is my way of giving back to the community. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
So now you're going to argue that if Ken does not come to this forum and specifically tell us that we cannot violate a specific Rule, then we are free to do so.
Your logic is getting more and more twisted! This can't be a serious question. It has to be a joke. If it isn't, I gave you way more credit than I should have.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 20,111 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
"A Film By..." or "A Film from..." is not necessarily a Director credit, so it should not be added as such!
Those credits are just as often used for Executive Producers or the person who provided the funding. I'm talking about Director, which in the majority of cases wouldn't be very hard at all to verify by other sources. My point is look at a film like Once Upon a Time in Mexico, where the credits are this: Shot, Chopped, and Scored by Robert Rodriguez in the opening credits. He's of course listed in the Cinematography, Editing and Music Crew in the majority of the profiles in the database. Some form of common sense (or additional Crew documentation for such instances) needs to be incorporated into the wording of the rules. | | | | Corey |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Do you really think that Ken who, just yesterday, posted in this forum, is not aware that many of us are ignoring this rule? I guess, if he thought we were wrong, he would at least have given an opinion...but he didn't...
Following this reasoning, we can violate anything until Ken doesn't specifically forbid it. You have just decided that rules were a guide !!!  Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
I do it for the people that want this information...it is my way of giving back to the community.
With a ratio votes/contributions >13, questions can be asked about your giving back to the community : easier to give lessons than make the job... I just realized that I contributed nearly twice as you and voted 500 times less... Sure we have not the same philosophy about what kind of information people want...  | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
I guess I gave you more credit than I should have as well.
I just read what you wrote. If what I quoted had another meaning, sorry, but my english is too poor to understand second or third degree...  | | | | Images from movies |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Katatonia: Quote:
Quoting hal9g:
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"A Film By..." or "A Film from..." is not necessarily a Director credit, so it should not be added as such!
Those credits are just as often used for Executive Producers or the person who provided the funding. I'm talking about Director, which in the majority of cases wouldn't be very hard at all to verify by other sources. My point is look at a film like Once Upon a Time in Mexico, where the credits are this: Shot, Chopped, and Scored by Robert Rodriguez in the opening credits. He's of course listed in the Cinematography, Editing and Music Crew in the majority of the profiles in the database. Some form of common sense (or additional Crew documentation for such instances) needs to be incorporated into the wording of the rules. Agreed! Can you say functional equivalent? |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
Agreed! Can you say functional equivalent? Aren't co-director, co-producers, and all co-someone functional equivalents? Rules explicitly say that all those must not be contributed... So I think rules do not open the place to functional equivalents... | | | | Images from movies |
|  | W0m6at | | You're in for it now Tony |
| Registered: April 17, 2007 |  Posts: 1,091 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Quoting RHo:
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Agreed! Can you say functional equivalent?
Aren't co-director, co-producers, and all co-someone functional equivalents?
Rules explicitly say that all those must not be contributed... So I think rules do not open the place to functional equivalents... No they're not, the "co-" indicates a supporting role. | | | | Adelaide Movie Buffs (info on special screenings, contests, bargains, etc. relevant to Adelaideans... and contests/bargains for other Aussies too!) |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting W0m6at: Quote:
No they're not, the "co-" indicates a supporting role. What does a co-producer functionally ? He produces a movie, in association with a productor. What does a co-director functionally ? He directs a movie, in association with a director. Supporting or not, they are functionally equivalent... Once again, I hardly understand that incredible wish to add data in the online against rules, as it is easy to do what everybody wants in local. I learned to ignore spelling mistakes in online since I can correct them in local... I'm far more upset when the program doesn't allow me to manage correctly things in local, as asian names or stage names that it is impossible to sort correctly while indicating without doubt where are given name and family name (use of colors). People may think this clear rule is inappropriate. There is a forum request for that... | | | | Images from movies |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting hal9g:
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So now you're going to argue that if Ken does not come to this forum and specifically tell us that we cannot violate a specific Rule, then we are free to do so.
Your logic is getting more and more twisted!
This can't be a serious question. It has to be a joke. If it isn't, I gave you way more credit than I should have. Actually, you give yourself too much credit for being clever. I quoted what you wrote. No one here can interpret any "other" meaning" you may have intended. Your sarcasm does not promote an intellectual discussion of the real issue here. This is typically what happens when someone realizes that they cannot actually argue effectively against the points being made by others. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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