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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 302 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
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But let's suppose that you could enter the data as you wish using the CLT. It was Ken not i that set both the CLT and the parameters for it. The Entry which is made in the "First/Middle/Last" Section have nothing to do with the CLT, because as Ken said there the results of the CLT only counts the "as credited" frequency. Quote:
What are you going to use for documentation to back up any claim. Hopefully something a whole lot better than "I am an expert in Asian names." That won't wash.... Documentation should be primary and highly recommended secondary sources. Primary Sources are e.g.: - Movie-credits (especially the original release credits (means no dubbed credits like e.g. very in common at Disney-releases) - Official Homepages of Persons Secondary sources e.g.: - highly recommended Webpages like www.wikipedia.org. for asian movies it could be www.hkcinemagic.com - secondary literature lke (theme-based books or documentary film) btw. Even if all data would be "as credited" right in the Database the CLT won't give correct data for e.g. chinese prsons. | | | regards, Mad -
My HD-Media, DVDs, Laserdiscs | | | | Last edited: by madacid |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Mad:
The point you missed is that it was Ken who said what the CLT was about, and has repeatedly said that Profiler has nothing to do with "Real" names. While I happen to agree with him, you are talking to the wrong man, Ken is the only person that can change thatand i don't think he should. I maintain that the issue you are referring to has absolutely NOTHING to do with the Online but is certainly a matter for every user to address or not as he chooses in his/her local database.
I am not terribly interested in seeing this program start following the same path followed by others. You have bot presented a argument which persuades me that this should be an Online issue and not a Local one. What you have shown me, as all the others before you have, is that you passionately believe that we should acknowledge culture, but your reasoning is not based on data, it is based on what YOU want and that is always a LOCAL matter.
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Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | We have been down this road more times than I can count. Most of us will agree that we are dealing with 'names'...'First Name', 'Middle Name' and 'Last Name'. Where we will part company is in your belief that we are after anything but the 'credited' first, middle and last names. The 'credited as' field is use to allow the linking of actors who have used different credited names. Nothing more, nothing less. We all know that the format we have causes problems with 'asian style names'. A solution was suggested a while back...'Yun-Fat/ /Chow (credited as Chow Yun-Fat)'...but that option was voted down. For whatever reason, Ken hasn't dealt with this issue. Until he does, we are stuck with what we have. Arguing about it amongst ourselves, for the umpteenth time, isn't going to get this fixed.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,819 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting madacid: Quote:
Pacino Al
DeNiro Robert
Bonham Carter Helena These would be entered as: Al Pacino (Pacino Al) Robert DeNiro (DeNiro Robert) Helena Bonham Carter (Bonham Carter Helena) But...you knew that didn't you? The issue here is what appears on screen has to be displayed in Profiler somehow. And that the 'common name' is the name most frequently used by that actor as it is displayed in the onscreen credits. So...if Yun-Fat Chow was credited as such more times that he is credited as Chow Yun-Fat then Yun-Fat Chow would be the 'common name'. What the guy's real name is is immaterial. I sincerely hope you are not contributing your profiles to the online database....because if you are it's people like you who are messing up the Credit Lookup Tool - and it's people like you who have made me request that the credited as function be made a local only feature or an optional feature. | | | | Last edited: by Pantheon |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 302 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Pantheon: Quote:
Quoting madacid:
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Pacino Al
DeNiro Robert
Bonham Carter Helena
These would be entered as:
Al Pacino (Pacino Al)
Robert DeNiro (DeNiro Robert)
Helena Bonham Carter (Bonham Carter Helena)
But...you knew that didn't you? Where is the difference to Yun-Fat//Chow (credited as Chow Yun-Fat) or Judit Schell (credited as Schell Judith; she's a hungarian actress)? Quote:
I sincerely hope you are not contributing your profiles to the online database....because if you are it's people like you who are messing up the Credit Lookup Tool. If I would enter Yun-Fat//Chow (credited as Chow Yun-Fat) wouldn't mess up the result of the CLT in any way, because as Ken said once: the CLT only counts the "as credited" entries. Quote:
and it's people like you who have made me request that the credited as function be made a local only feature or an optional feature. I would suggest the other way round. Only "as credited"-field has to enter in the online-DB and the linking and identification of persons with the same name should be LOCAL only. So there wouldn't be wrong data anymore, because it's all "as credited"-data which is 100% valide allways proofable with the movie's credit | | | regards, Mad -
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 302 |
| | Posted: | | | | btw. RHo said once: Quoting RHo: Quote:
Quoting HilbertHimmelwaerts:
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(...) Does first name and last name means Given Name and Family name (...)
Of course it does, anything else would be really far-fetched. As far-fetched as word counting for parsing purposes. And i totally agree with him. | | | regards, Mad -
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