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| Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,087 |
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Are people really that damn picky? Yes, they are. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | The less importance of the data, the more picky we can afford to be. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
| | Registered: September 30, 2008 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,805 |
| | Posted: | | | | Just spitballing here, no intentions meant one way or the other. I once got a no vote on some TV child profiles I was updating. I updated the entire parent profile and all four of the child profiles. In the child profiles I corrected/added studios, proper features, proper audio tracks, proper subtitles, full cast and crew for each individual episode (entered correctly with dividers and titles and whatnot) and proper overviews. I also unfortunately changed the case type to match the parent profile because I thought that's what we were supposed to do (by changing the case type, I simply mean that I checked off slip cover). I got a no vote on all four of the child profiles because that change was incorrect according to some post Ken made a few years ago buried in one of the sticky threads in this forum that I had never read. Fair enough. The no vote alerted me to my "error". The only problem was, I had a DB crash that night and I lost all profiles I had added to my personal DB since my last back-up (which thankfully was only a few days before). I lost the child profiles and all the work I had done to them, so couldn't simply fix the error and resubmit. I even edited my notes basically begging for the submissions to be accepted  , explained my situation and promised to fix the error as soon as they were accepted. All four were declined based on the single no vote due to one simple check being placed in a box. Have I ever gone back in to do the work that I had originally done on them (even though it would be slightly easier now due to being able to copy from the parent profile)? Hells no. If people are willing to give up full cast and crew, proper studios, proper audio, proper subtitles and proper overviews because there's a checkmark in the profile that shouldn't be there (that I was going to remove), sucks to be them. I don't keep child profiles in my own DB, but whenever I can, I submit info to them to help others that do keep them. That harmless no vote caused the no voter to lose all that info over a checkbox because the screeners decided it was a big enough issue to decline all the other work. I still for the life of me can't see the justification, especially considering my updated notes on the situation. But, whatever. If people really do want to be that picky and risk losing all that good info, their loss. I just re-downloaded the child profiles. They're still craptastic. I guess having incorrect and no info is better than having correct and full info with one small error to some. A shame. Because of this I'll vote yes with a comment and/or pm, and if push comes to shove, I'll keep an eye on a small error and if it gets approved, I'll fix it myself afterwards. Best way to go if you ask me. | | | | The night is calling. And it whispers to me soflty come and play. | | | | Last edited: by Merrik |
| | Registered: August 23, 2008 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | Wow! That's a huge bag of retarded thought process right there. Shocking that people stop contributing. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. |
| | Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,851 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Merrik: Quote:
Have I ever gone back in to do the work that I had originally done on them (even though it would be slightly easier now due to being able to copy from the parent profile)? Hells no. I don't blame you. I'd probably do the same thing. You're doing people a service by contributing and if they don't want what you have to offer then...to bad for them. --------------- |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Merrik: Quote:
That harmless no vote caused the no voter to lose all that info over a checkbox because the screeners decided it was a big enough issue to decline all the other work. I still for the life of me can't see the justification, especially considering my updated notes on the situation. But, whatever. If people really do want to be that picky and risk losing all that good info, their loss. No...actually it was your failure to backup your data and your "database crash" that caused the no voter to lose all that info  . ALERT! Don't vote NO on any of Merrik's contributions folks...his database may crash again and the evil NO voters and screeners may deny you of precious data  . | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection | | | | Last edited: by Bad Father |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | No need to be sarcastic as Merrick is 100% right. If someone can't get that denying a contribution for such a trivial insignificant little thing isn't beneficial for the database that person had to be quite clueless... Guess what? I would have done the same thing than him : keep my stuff to myself and never contribute it again... Quoting scotthm: Quote:
I don't blame you. I'd probably do the same thing. You're doing people a service by contributing and if they don't want what you have to offer then...to bad for them. See even Scott agree on this one | | | | Last edited: by Jimmy S |
| | Registered: September 30, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,805 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Bad Father: Quote:
Quoting Merrik:
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That harmless no vote caused the no voter to lose all that info over a checkbox because the screeners decided it was a big enough issue to decline all the other work. I still for the life of me can't see the justification, especially considering my updated notes on the situation. But, whatever. If people really do want to be that picky and risk losing all that good info, their loss.
No...actually it was your failure to backup your data and your "database crash" that caused the no voter to lose all that info .
ALERT!
Don't vote NO on any of Merrik's contributions folks...his database may crash again and the evil NO voters and screeners may deny you of precious data . Nice. Love the quotes around "database crash". 'Cause I have every reason to lie. And people wonder why a normal conversation can never take place around these parts. Thanks for reinforcing that notion. I back-up my database on a fairly regular basis. I never let it get to that annoying reminder screen that pops up after a certain amount of time to remind you to back your database up. So, maybe every four-six days I do a back-up. At the least. I had a crappy crash when I first started using the program. Hadn't uploaded my stuff to the online yet and hadn't done a back-up yet. Was really just testing the waters, didn't know what the program really did. I lost maybe 600 profiles that I had to re-enter into my database. It was just UPC searches, but it was a pain in the butt, so I never let it get to that point. Back to your reply... Vote no on my contributions all you want. Not trying to sound like a douchebag, but I do fairly good work. I follow the rules, I work my butt off to make sure common names link, I double check everything from annoying extra spaces in the overview (which started this topic in the first place) to audio and video tracks (sometimes triple check as I usually have the profile open when I'm contributing the changes), I verify every birth year, I pour away over cover scans for hours sometimes trying to get the best one and I generally leave really thorough contribution notes to explain all changes I've made. IF I happen to make a mistake, please vote no. I want the correct information in the profile, I WILL correct it. Believe me or not, I don't particularly care to be honest, but that's how I work with this system. So the evil NO voters can feel free to come after me for those little errors if they so choose. They could also choose to vote yes and leave me a note with the vote, or PM me, I'm good all ways. This ONE time was a special circumstance unfortunately, and I'm simply stating that because of this ONE time, I choose to either vote yes and leave a note, or pm the contributor, because something like this that happened to me (I reiterate, ONE time) could happen to someone else at any given time. I'm also stating that it's my right to not have to resubmit if a contribution gets declined because of a small error. I'm under absolutely no obligation to share "precious data" and if someone wants to lose that because of a check mark, that's their issue. The profiles in question are still garbage, no one else has attempted to fix 'em up, not my loss. I'm also only stating my opinion that I don't think the justification is there to vote no on such a small change when it could result in a loss that the entire community could share and benefit from, which is basically the only reason I submit to the online. Someone said it before, 99% correct with a small 1% error, or 99% garbage with 1% good data. It's your call. Vote no all you want, but if a contribution get declined, and the contributor decides to keep it local, don't be surprised. There's only so much people are willing to do and give of their free time and their generosity, and it it's not appreciated, you can't expect people to keep it up. Simple as that. And you know what, in this case, it was pretty stupid. The evil NO voter could've understood the situation and retracted his vote after I updated my notes. The screeners could've understood the situation and approved it. I've never given anyone any reason to doubt my word and I'll try never to do that. When it's clearly spelled out, it should be fairly easy to understand. (P.S. - I don't actually think the no voter is evil, I actually think he's pretty friggin' awesome, which is why I haven't mentioned the profiles or the name of the no voter because I don't want him to feel like he's being attacked... something I see other posters around here don't give a sh!t about...) | | | | The night is calling. And it whispers to me soflty come and play. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | As I said... the only way I do it is vote no with reason... for the reasons I already stated in this thread earlier. Situations like the above, going by what Ken had said, isn't supposed to happen. But I do fully know that they can happen... though it has been my experience, especially here of late, that it don't happen that often... as I have watched stuff I vote no to and see if they are approved anyway or not. And most the time... almost all the time lately... it goes through anyway if it is a minor thing. Just as it is supposed to. But when something like the above does happen... while I am sorry to see it happen... I am more then able to accept the repercussions. But I am sorry... it just does not change my view on the subject. Especially since I see it happening less and less all the time.
As for it not being re-contributed once declined. That I can accept too. I wouldn't for a moment expect, let alone ask for them to re-contribute it. If they want to re-contribute. Wonderful... Thank You! If they don't want to... no hard feelings here.
As is a no vote is just as valid as a yes vote with comment (per Ken himself). And it is sure to draw attention to the problem (however minor it may be) not only to the contributor but to the screener. Which is all a no vote is meant to do... draw attention to the problem (any problem) for both the contributor and screener. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Merrik: Quote:
All four were declined based on the single no vote due to one simple check being placed in a box. I guess it depends on the screeners mood. A few users have been updating a lot of BVHE releases, adding the publisher to the MC field. More often than not, they just add the publisher to the bottom of the list and submit. I vote 'no', each time because the distributor...BVHE...should be last. I haven't seen a single one of these declined. Go figure.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Registered: September 30, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,805 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting Merrik:
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All four were declined based on the single no vote due to one simple check being placed in a box.
I guess it depends on the screeners mood. A few users have been updating a lot of BVHE releases, adding the publisher to the MC field. More often than not, they just add the publisher to the bottom of the list and submit. I vote 'no', each time because the distributor...BVHE...should be last. I haven't seen a single one of these declined. Go figure. True enough. When I was voting no to small changes like the one I encountered in my submissions (and I don't always vote 100% yes, there was a recent change to rating details that were incorrectly capitalized and I did vote no on that because it was the only change) I noticed they went through all the time. Like I said, generally I would keep an eye on 'em and correct them when the submission was approved. That's why in my second post I wanted to clearly state it was simply a single case of this happening to me, but a single case was enough to change my perspective on the situation. I, now, personally would rather see the information approved for the whole community to share even if there is one small error than to see the entire thing declined and risk losing it all because of my single no vote when I can easily change it afterwards if the need arises. That's all. Not trying to change anyone's opinion (not speaking to you Martin, just a general statement) on the situation, just relaying an incident that happened to me which shaped how I view this particular situation. If I have to leave it up to screener moods, I'd rather not to be honest.  | | | | The night is calling. And it whispers to me soflty come and play. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Merrik: Quote:
Nice.
Love the quotes around "database crash". 'Cause I have every reason to lie.
And people wonder why a normal conversation can never take place around these parts. Thanks for reinforcing that notion.
You really need to lighten up . Have a drink, take a little blue pill and wink at your wife or girlfriend...do something . Sarcasm shouldn't be taken so seriously. The quotes weren't there to signify that you "lied"...geeeze. I've been using DVDP for goin on 12 years and never once had a "database crash". I've had stupid user errors where I did something that I shouldn't have while working on a profile and lost that data but never have I lost profiles due to a "database crash". What exactly is that? I've never experienced a "database crash" in DVDP. The program has locked up a few times but the database never "crashed".  | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection | | | | Last edited: by Bad Father |
| | Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Posts: 824 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Bad Father: Quote:
You really need to lighten up . Have a drink, take a little blue pill and wink at your wife or girlfriend...do something .
Sarcasm shouldn't be taken so seriously. The quotes weren't there to signify that you "lied"...geeeze. I've been using DVDP for goin on 12 years and never once had a "database crash". I've had stupid user errors where I did something that I shouldn't have while working on a profile and lost that data but never have I lost profiles due to a "database crash". What exactly is that? I've never experienced a "database crash" in DVDP. The program has locked up a few times but the database never "crashed". As long as there are users like yourself, there will be users like me and many others who will refuse to contribute. Doing a ton of work then trying to share it so it benefits others, only to be met by this crap... no way, no how. The site's owners need to step up and show serious support to those who truly want to share and contribute quality which benefits everyone, and to properly penalize those who give so many others so much grief. That doesn't look like it's ever going to happen. (How many years has it been now?) REALLY appropriate user name / avatar by the way. | | | | 99.9% of all cat plans consist only of "Step 1." | | | | Last edited: by Grendell |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | | Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | Sounds like it is time to lock this thread. |
| | Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Posts: 824 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting dee1959jay: Quote:
Sounds like it is time to lock this thread. And what does that solve? | | | | 99.9% of all cat plans consist only of "Step 1." |
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