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| Registered: February 8, 2011 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,220 |
| | Posted: | | | | These titles are contributed (and probably some more which I don't have in my database)
-Beauty and the Beast (2017)
-Cars 3
-Cinderella (2015)
-Coco
-Dumbo (2019)
-Finding Dory
-The Good Dinosaur
-Incredibles 2
-Inside Out
-Maleficent
-Pete's Dragon (2016)
-Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Men Tell No Tales
-Zootropolis
In my opinion for all of them the change from Disney to Walt Disney Pictures is invalid. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | What we need is "Credited As" for studios.  And yeah, more common name threads!  | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,715 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting iPatsa: Quote:
What we need is "Credited As" for studios.
And yeah, more common name threads! completly ignoring the smilies: No, for studios we need an authority defining them. | | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) |
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| Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,851 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote:
Just for fun I checked the credits in Coco, which was the latest profile in my collection that had Walt Disney Pictures entered as production company. Here is what I found regarding anything Disney:
Production credit: Disney
Copyright credit: Disney Enterprises
Distribution credit: Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures
And then there were of course also credits for Pixar.
So, no mention of Walt Disney Pictures anywhere in the credits that I could find. Since the "Theatrical Release Studio" for modern Disney films is Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures then per rule that is the highest priority "studio" to be contributed, followed by the production companies. --------------- | | | | Last edited: by scotthm |
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| Registered: May 2, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 490 |
| | Posted: | | | | I have personally never thought "credited as" for a production studio would be something to consider. I mean, what would we go on?
"Common name"? Probably, if so. But it's not like with real people. A person is a person.
IMO the only solution is to contribute exactly what is written on the screen during credits.
Thus, the actual rules on Invelos are definitely incorrect.
It is one thing that we are supposed to ignore what a studio logo at any given time shows, but the text that appears should be considered the production studio's real name. Maybe some amount of common sense as well, since some studios do tend to abbreviate their names, or use a few variations (Twentieth/20th Century Fox; Universal Pictures/Universal).
But yeah, I agree we should need some authority on this matter. And that's why we have the same situation as in the box sets scenario. Since there is no one in charge here anymore and to me it looks like an anarchy could arise from that. |
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| Registered: February 8, 2011 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,220 |
| | Posted: | | | | It's an easy example to make something clear about abbreviate studio names not knowing that Disney branded Walt Disney Pictures to Disney.
But when that actually happened the rules should have been updated on that point, but unfortunately that never happened and now somebody use it to change a correct studio. But I think we can agree that the change to Walt Disney Pictures is invalid for movies where the credits say Disney presents. | | | | Last edited: by Gamemaster |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,678 |
| | Posted: | | | | The example given in the rules is perhaps a bit unfortunate, but to me the rule is quite clear. Enter the studio as credited (minus any company suffix).
If the credit is "Walt Disney Pictures", then don't abbreviate it to "Disney". So it follows that if the credit is "Disney", then we enter it as "Disney". | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
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| Registered: May 2, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 490 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Gamemaster: Quote:
It's an easy example to make something clear about abbreviate studio names not knowing that Disney branded Walt Disney Pictures to Disney.
But when that actually happened the rules should have been updated on that point, but unfortunately that never happened and now somebody use it to change a correct studio. But I think we can agree that the change to Walt Disney Pictures is invalid for movies where the credits say Disney presents. I fully agree. But as I meant with my first post in this thread, the situation is practically the same as with the box set profiles info scenario - because people can use the rules to make a change that isn't a proper one. Even if there are "opinions" about box sets having "some" info, when it's still just a piece of cardboard and where any sort of information can be rather arbitrary and random and still having no actual meaning. In short: if the rules are there and not changed, it creates confusion and erroneous contributions. It's extremely frustrating to know that no one is taking the rudder (responsibility) at Invelos...! All this also causes unnecessary arguments and posts when "no one knows" or IMO even worse, people act like they know and want to dictate. Apart from that, I am really curious who the "expert staff" (reviewers) are and whether they may be biased. We shall at least see, regarding the "Disney" --> "Walt Disney Pictures" attempts. Meaning, will the "rules" here take precedence over sheer facts and logic? |
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| Registered: March 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,851 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote:
The example given in the rules is perhaps a bit unfortunate, but to me the rule is quite clear. Enter the studio as credited (minus any company suffix).
If the credit is "Walt Disney Pictures", then don't abbreviate it to "Disney". So it follows that if the credit is "Disney", then we enter it as "Disney". What about a film that says "Disney Presents" in the opening credits and "Distributed by Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures" in the closing credits? The theatrical distributor gets top billing according to the rules. --------------- |
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| Registered: May 2, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 490 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
What about a film that says "Disney Presents" in the opening credits and "Distributed by Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures" in the closing credits? The theatrical distributor gets top billing according to the rules.
--------------- For a good example of that is Maleficent. This movie only opens with the [Cinderella castle and the] "Disney" logo. Nothing in text. Only in the end credits does it say "Distributed by Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures". So maybe that's what the profile should say too, and not either "Disney" nor "Walt Disney Pictures". Because, I am assuming "Distributed" means they produced the movie...? May I also hijack this thread to ask if "Walt Disney Company" would be a valid distributor (aka Media company) name for a physical release? Sounds to me more like "us @Disney". Some releases have that as a Media company and it feels suspicious. |
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| Registered: March 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,851 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting MikaLove: Quote:
Because, I am assuming "Distributed" means they produced the movie...? This suggests that they are the Theatrical Release Studio, and not merely a production company. --------------- |
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| Registered: October 22, 2015 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 275 |
| | Posted: | | | | MikaLove
It is seen on Australian home media releases as: Distributed by The Walt Disney Company (Australia) Pty Ltd
So it would be entered as a media company with the whole name (no abbreviation) minus locality-specific suffix (Australia) and minus company suffix (Pty Ltd), that is, "The Walt Disney Company".
This media company name should not be confused with Disney's theatrical distribution companies.
For a historical run-down of which companies Disney used for theatrical film distribution, read the following forum discussion:
http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=939697
Hope that helps. |
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| Registered: May 2, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 490 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
Quoting MikaLove:
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Because, I am assuming "Distributed" means they produced the movie...?
This suggests that they are the Theatrical Release Studio, and not merely a production company.
--------------- I see. I guess it's like Lucasfilm. Meaning a company which owns the rights to a movie or a franchise. Still though. It should mean a theatrical release studio financed the project? Quoting ObiKen: Quote:
MikaLove
It is seen on Australian home media releases as: Distributed by The Walt Disney Company (Australia) Pty Ltd
So it would be entered as a media company with the whole name (no abbreviation) minus locality-specific suffix (Australia) and minus company suffix (Pty Ltd), that is, "The Walt Disney Company".
This media company name should not be confused with Disney's theatrical distribution companies.
For a historical run-down of which companies Disney used for theatrical film distribution, read the following forum discussion:
http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=939697
Hope that helps. Well, the thing that makes me most suspicious is that "Walt Disney Company" is listed as a media company only for the AU title. Not for any other locality. They all instead have "Walt Disney Studios Home Entertainment". Except for some Italian titles. But those have the text too small to read, however they also have "Walt Disney Studios Home Entertainment" listed as larger text on the back cover. I am still assuming "The Walt Disney Company" means Disney, having looked them up on Wikipedia. So thus, shouldn't their media company name be listed...? |
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| Registered: February 8, 2011 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,220 |
| | Posted: | | | | So in case of Brave there's a Distributed by Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures at the end of the endcredits which would be the Theatrical Release Studio.
At the beginning the movie starts with Disney presents a Pixar Animation Studios film, where Disney and Pixar Animation Studios are the production companies. So for Brave that would mean the studios we list are:
Walt Disney Studios Motion PicturesDisneyPixar Animation Studios |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,678 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Gamemaster: Quote:
So in case of Brave there's a Distributed by Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures at the end of the endcredits which would be the Theatrical Release Studio.
At the beginning the movie starts with Disney presents a Pixar Animation Studios film, where Disney and Pixar Animation Studios are the production companies. So for Brave that would mean the studios we list are:
Walt Disney Studios Motion PicturesDisneyPixar Animation Studios Yep, that's the way I see it too. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
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| Registered: March 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,851 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Gamemaster: Quote:
So for Brave that would mean the studios we list are:
Walt Disney Studios Motion PicturesDisneyPixar Animation Studios I'm not really comfortable with including Disney twice here. We have similar situations with other studios (TCF, for example) and I don't think we would list both of these under Studio, would we? Aren't we told that, " Some companies (using similar but different names) may serve more than one function. List such companies only once". Twentieth Century-Fox Film CorporationTwentieth Century-Fox  --------------- |
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