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Is Blu-Ray a dying format?
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Netflix is streamed through my PS3 with wired connection. You say that you are "reasonably satisfied"? I for one will not be content with just "reasonably satisfied" when it comes to HD. I've grown too accustomed to the outstanding quality of picture and sound delivered by the majority of the Blu-ray titles I've viewed on my Panasonic Plasma and Onkyo 7.1 HD receiver to be just "reasonbly satisfied" with the mediocre quality of material I've viewed with Internet Streaming.

I'll give a test of Netflix through my PS3 this evening and compare it to what I've been watching through TiVo.

By "reasonably satisfied", I mean that I'm content with the HD knowing that there's a tradeoff between streaming and owning the disc. Yes, there may be artifacts if I got up close to the TV and paying attention to it but when I'm lost in the story, I don't notice and that is good enough for me as far as the tradeoff goes.

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... I don’t see how you can compare digital book sales to Films. Granted, eBooks are more convenient for the consumer because they take up less space in the home and you don’t have to cart your books around in a backpack. Print doesn’t suffer from digitizing and it’s cheaper for the producers. Films on the other hand do suffer from digitizing and if your viewing pleasure is limited to streaming then you will always be a slave to the distributor of your media. At least with physical media I don’t have to worry that my internet connection will go down '''

So, IMO, physical media is here to stay, in one form or another. You never know. With the advances in nano and organic chemistry, the future may bring us HD films on a chip the size of a postage stamp .


A couple more thoughts this raised on digital books vs streaming/downloads:

Books are much heavier than dvds, so much easier to carry and store. Plus no huge drop in quality, and if your internet fails, it's already stored on your device to read them. Small files quick and easy to download.

Save paper, save trees, etc.
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For the life of me, I will never understand this argument that digital streaming will never take over because a sizeable group of people won't have the bandwidth to use it.  Ummm...how would you categorize video on demand, which is offered by most every major cable and satellite company?  It sure isn't physical media.  Now imagine Netflix licensing their service to Comcast, Time Warner, Dish and DirectTV.  Poof, you've got a major chunk of the population all ready for streaming.  Honestly, it doesn't take all that much thinking outside the box to see how streaming could take off very rapidly.  I'm not saying that it will, but discounting it completely because of imaginary technical issues is just foolish.
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For the life of me, I will never understand this argument that digital streaming will never take over because a sizeable group of people won't have the bandwidth to use it.  Ummm...how would you categorize video on demand, which is offered by most every major cable and satellite company?  It sure isn't physical media.  Now imagine Netflix licensing their service to Comcast, Time Warner, Dish and DirectTV.  Poof, you've got a major chunk of the population all ready for streaming.  Honestly, it doesn't take all that much thinking outside the box to see how streaming could take off very rapidly.  I'm not saying that it will, but discounting it completely because of imaginary technical issues is just foolish.


Ummm...we weren't talking about VOD or Cable/Satelite were we? VOD or Pay-Per-View may be offered via satelite/cable but the "masses" can't afford or necessarily want cable/satelite either. You can "imagin" Netflix doing whatever you want. But Netflix licensing their service doen't make the quality of content any better now does it? That's what we're talking about here. If Internet Streaming can't match the video/audio quality of Blu-ray at an affordable price to the masses then it will never replace physical media.
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When I brought up printed books vs eBooks, it was solely to point out how one medium is starting to eclipse another - not to compare books/ebooks to DVDs or movies.
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For the life of me, I will never understand this argument that digital streaming will never take over because a sizeable group of people won't have the bandwidth to use it.  Ummm...how would you categorize video on demand, which is offered by most every major cable and satellite company?  It sure isn't physical media.  Now imagine Netflix licensing their service to Comcast, Time Warner, Dish and DirectTV.  Poof, you've got a major chunk of the population all ready for streaming.  Honestly, it doesn't take all that much thinking outside the box to see how streaming could take off very rapidly.  I'm not saying that it will, but discounting it completely because of imaginary technical issues is just foolish.


Ummm...we weren't talking about VOD or Cable/Satelite were we? VOD or Pay-Per-View may be offered via satelite/cable but the "masses" can't afford or necessarily want cable/satelite either. You can "imagin" Netflix doing whatever you want. But Netflix licensing their service doen't make the quality of content any better now does it? That's what we're talking about here. If Internet Streaming can't match the video/audio quality of Blu-ray at an affordable price to the masses then it will never replace physical media.


VOD is streaming, whether you choose to believe that or not.  When the studios list their home video profits as being 50% SD, 25% Blu and 25% streaming, do you really think that last 25% is exclusively looking at internet video?  I suppose they just don't count any revenues from VOD?  It probably doesn't even need to be said, but it should be telling that streaming profits are equal to Blu as of last year...however the studios are defining streaming.

Regarding the masses, they're not exactly flocking to Blu-ray in droves so I find your argument puzzling at best.  Yeah, the percentage of Blu goes up every year for total disc sales, basically grabbing a bigger piece of an overall shrinking pie.  A pretty dubious achievement.  Oh sure, for the die-hards there will always be discs, just like there are still records.  Of course this eventually-to-be niche group will be paying a premium to have their format supported, but that's the beauty of consumer demand, no matter how small it becomes.

I mean if the argument is that there will always be some enclave of people who refuse anything but discs, well that would be pretty hard to refute.  But it hardly suggests that somehow physical media will continue to rule the home video market forevermore.
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I say the death of physical based media is about 10 years away or a little more. With physical media there is always a point when the market becomes over saturated with one format, and a replacement is needed to prevent loss of revenue.  Once the infrastructure is in place to handle HD at a high level of quality. There is no need for the hassle to start adapting production and pushing a new format onto the market at great expense.

The flexibility of the internet will allow for a much quicker change in technology than anything physical media could possibly match, thus making it easier to target a market at a much much lower cost.

By 2030 people will look back on physical media and laugh at how once we got things on a shiny thing with a hole in it in shops. And all the stupidity of format wars and giant primitive factory's rushing to change there production facility's to accommodate the next shiny round thing with a hole in it.

But it will be us old farts by that time that will be having the last laugh. As they won't have the luxury of having the same amount of content we did back in the olden days of the shiny thing with a hole in it.
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I say the death of physical based media is about 10 years away or a little more.

Depends, as you stated, on the state of the evolution of the infrastructure. I wonder if in 10 years time we'll have internet that can handle the streaming of full HD (1080p) and lossless audio. Seems to me like they'll have to seriously buff up the infrastructure to get there.

I also noticed that the streaming phenomenon varies wildly from region to region:
- In the US, it's pretty well adopted. People even say "I netflixed it"
- In Europe, it's quasi non-existant: we have onlilne DVD rental and digital TV ... but streaming, not really
- In Japan it's existant but online DVD rental remains the dominant form (as you can see on sites like DMM: they have a streaming catalog but it seems DVD is still the main rental form)

I gues a combination of mental change and infrastructure update will be required if online streaming is to completely replace phsyical media
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Currently in the UK, I don't think streaming will take off....and I'm very pleased about that.

I say, let America (who seem to love streaming) keep it...while we in the UK keep the physical media! 
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I say, let America (who seem to love streaming) keep it...while we in the UK keep the physical media! 



Problem is, that if the American customers restrain from physical media, the rest of the world will very soon learn that there is no physical media anymore.
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For the life of me, I will never understand this argument that digital streaming will never take over because a sizeable group of people won't have the bandwidth to use it.  Ummm...how would you categorize video on demand, which is offered by most every major cable and satellite company?  It sure isn't physical media.  Now imagine Netflix licensing their service to Comcast, Time Warner, Dish and DirectTV.  Poof, you've got a major chunk of the population all ready for streaming.  Honestly, it doesn't take all that much thinking outside the box to see how streaming could take off very rapidly.  I'm not saying that it will, but discounting it completely because of imaginary technical issues is just foolish.


Ummm...we weren't talking about VOD or Cable/Satelite were we? VOD or Pay-Per-View may be offered via satelite/cable but the "masses" can't afford or necessarily want cable/satelite either. You can "imagin" Netflix doing whatever you want. But Netflix licensing their service doen't make the quality of content any better now does it? That's what we're talking about here. If Internet Streaming can't match the video/audio quality of Blu-ray at an affordable price to the masses then it will never replace physical media.


VOD is streaming, whether you choose to believe that or not.  When the studios list their home video profits as being 50% SD, 25% Blu and 25% streaming, do you really think that last 25% is exclusively looking at internet video?  I suppose they just don't count any revenues from VOD?  It probably doesn't even need to be said, but it should be telling that streaming profits are equal to Blu as of last year...however the studios are defining streaming.

Regarding the masses, they're not exactly flocking to Blu-ray in droves so I find your argument puzzling at best.  Yeah, the percentage of Blu goes up every year for total disc sales, basically grabbing a bigger piece of an overall shrinking pie.  A pretty dubious achievement.  Oh sure, for the die-hards there will always be discs, just like there are still records.  Of course this eventually-to-be niche group will be paying a premium to have their format supported, but that's the beauty of consumer demand, no matter how small it becomes.

I mean if the argument is that there will always be some enclave of people who refuse anything but discs, well that would be pretty hard to refute.  But it hardly suggests that somehow physical media will continue to rule the home video market forevermore.


Do you work for the Cable/Salelite industry …j/k

All I’m saying is that for me, Internet Streaming just doesn’t cut the mustard. In my experience, and I admit that it’s limited, the quality, both in video and audio, has been mediocre at best compared to what I can get with physical media.

As Taro stated, unless the industry is willing to invest billions in completely overhauling the infrastructure so as to easily handle 1080p and lossless audio over the internet, I don’t see physical media going the way of the Dodo any time soon.

Another reason I prefer physical media over Streaming, especially VOD, is that I like to rewatch some films without having to pay to watch them again or have time limits on viewing a film once I’ve ordered it. I also like the fact that I can take a few Blu-ray discs with me when I go camping and watch them on my laptop in my tent at night. Can’t stream out in the woods .
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One thing that I think will help in keeping physical media in existence for a long time is the recent news that more and more people are dropping cable/satellite because of the economy. People are looking at ways to save money and with cable costing as much as $100 or more  per month, I can see why. Plus internet can cost $50 or more per month depending on where you live. So you have people cutting those to save money.

Even in today's modern times there are still people who have never had cable/satellite or even internet access. So you've got perhaps millions of people in the US that would just be cut off from new movies at home it streaming ever replaced physical media 100%.

At best I think that streaming would replace rentals and/ore casual viewing like tv episodes, but I think there are too many hurdles to overcome that would have streaming become the standard format for movies. Plus would you ever really "own" the movie or would it be just a license that can/could be revoked by the studio at their whim?
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Even in today's modern times there are still people who have never had cable/satellite or even internet access. So you've got perhaps millions of people in the US that would just be cut off from new movies at home it streaming ever replaced physical media 100%.


You can count me in this category. I will never subscribe to a cable or satelite service again. Did it once, had cable about 7 years ago and cancelled it due to crappy service. I thought about going back to cable recently but found out that Comcast isn't available in my area and that the only alternative is the same crappy company (Charter Cable/Internet) that I ditched 7 years ago. I live in a town with a population of around 40,000 just 40 miles or so from Silicon Valley and I can't get decent cable service...go figure .
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I remember when cable was first introduced. The promise was that the monthly fee was to replace the need for commercials. Yea - right.

I dumped cable long ago and have no desire to ever order it again.

I don't foresee me paying for anything besides what I can hold in my hands. I still like hardcover books, DVDs and vinyl records.

I heard rumblings that vinyl records were dying also. People dumped them and that enabled me to pick up thousands of them at almost no cost.

I hope the rumblings of DVDs being a dying format allows me to pick up DVDs cheap too!
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