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Spelling failures in Overview on backcovers |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 5,734 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
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data is the Running Time, we do not change it. running time of the movie or of the cover ? The actual Running Time. Quote:
Quote: data is the Overview, we do not change it. overview of the movie, or of the cover ? The actual Overview. Quote: Consistency ? Yes. | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,494 |
| Posted: | | | | without reading any of the above to minute detail.. Keep in mind that running times and actors names are in the movie itself which we take over any cover art .. But unfortunately the over view for the description of said movie is Not in the actual movie therefore we would be compelled as per rules to take that overview as deemed correct ....... ( ....hang on while I do spellcheck now.. take notice Skip .... done) .... | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry |
| Registered: July 22, 2007 | Posts: 348 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote: It is not our job to alter what is represented, for our own sense of correctness. As a collector, we represent what we collect as best as we can. Very interesting statement. We are supposed to enter the overview as written on the artwork, as that is what it is. We are not to change what is represented. Yet, we butcher the crew list with inaccurate information all the time. To wit, my previous postings regarding one of the credits: Editor. We are forced to use Film Editor, for all the editors listed, even though the credits on the disc could be Film Editor, Editor or Edited by. And that is just the English versions. Many other variations in other languages. Hypocrisy? | | | Mr Video Productions If it isn't Unix, it isn't an OS :-) |
| Registered: May 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,934 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting MrVideo: Quote:
Yet, we butcher the crew list with inaccurate information all the time. To wit, my previous postings regarding one of the credits: Editor. We are forced to use Film Editor, for all the editors listed, even though the credits on the disc could be Film Editor, Editor or Edited by. And that is just the English versions. Many other variations in other languages.
Hypocrisy? I think not. Locally, no one is forcing you to use anything. In the custom credit field, you are allowed to use what ever you choose (under the classification of film editor). And as far as other languages, we have translation files to handle that (under what ever the translation for film editor would be) ***by the way, the term "Film Editor" is still used throughout the industry, whether you would believe it or not***... I can show you "Main Stream" movies in the last year that have used the term "Film Editor" within the credits. There is only one way to solve this perceived problem of yours, rewrite the program, This would not be a simple rule change, considering this "problem" would also need to be changed for many other fields, after all the term "sound mixer" is used at least as much as "Production Sound Mixer". I do not see "Director" very often, so to be correct it should be changed to the more correct "Directed by". No "Producer", this should say "Produced by". I Guess, to be correct, the heading should not be "Film Editor" and the term "Editor" is too vague (Film, Sound, Foley, Special Effects, Music, etc). Maybe the heading should be " Motion Picture Editor" since this is what we are referring to. You see a problem, where really none exist. "Film Editor" is just a classification within the DB. It could refer to "Film Editor" "Editor" "Digital Film Editor" etc etc. |
| Registered: May 8, 2007 | Posts: 824 |
| Posted: | | | | It is completely obvious that we can do whatever we want to locally. No need to keep pointing that fact out. | | | 99.9% of all cat plans consist only of "Step 1." |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,197 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Grendell: Quote: It is completely obvious that we can do whatever we want to locally. No need to keep pointing that fact out. Quite the contrary, it seems it has to be pointed out at least once every day when people claim they can't do what they want. | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Grendell: Quote: It is completely obvious that we can do whatever we want to locally. No need to keep pointing that fact out. Some people don't get it, so it's worth reiterating Let's face it this thread is totaklly unnecessary had the OP read the Rules which explain how to do the Overview. If he wants to correct what he sees as spelling erroprs or grammatical errors or anything else locally, he can do so, but it is not OK to make such corrections and Contribute them. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,494 |
| Posted: | | | | here here .. | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Let's face it, gang, spelling/grammatical correction is nothing more than user-interpretation of data and that interpretation may or may NOT be correct. It's just half a step from user generated Overviews, we have seen that in the past and watched as users battle over getting their name in lights, based on the Overview, because they felt theirs was better than what was there before and then someone else would replace their work. This is why as a database with thousands of users we can't deal with user-interpretation, we must have standards that are applied to ALL, then, of course, each individual user is free to handle HIS/HER dataset in any way they wish.
It's bad enough that we have users who refuse to vote consistent with the Rules, and as voters, supply documentation for a user who did not ionclude it. Or in some cases casting a wrong vote and when caught instead of simply saying whoops and changing their vote to the appropriate No, they instead change it to neutral, which means they cannot or will not admit their error. See them way too often...though thankfully not as bad as it used to be. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote: Quoting CharlieM:
Quote: If it is that way on the cover ... Sorry, but I live in a real world, where facts are what happens really, not what is written by cover makers when they are incompetent. Your idea of the real world, Yves, is YOUR world. You believe that you are the arbiter what is and is not an error, even if it differs from the data (which, of course) you can determine. You can determine that it was not done deliberately as well. How you do this is a mystery. But if Yves determines it to be an error then an error it must be and you will drone about it for years. Profiler has data entry standards that are actually fairkly common in the world of large databases with many users. We can't have users simply entering whatever they believe is correct or whatever they want to see in a given field and have the Online have any function or even form. You can do as you wish locally and you know that and freely exercise your right locally. We have seen the chaos caused when users are allowed to use their own interpretation of what is and is not correct. We have seen Profiles edited over 900 times over a five year period due simply to the back and forth caused by users wanting their way. We have seen users try to manipulate the sorting of the Online, regardless of how it impacted any other user, simply because he/she wanted to group all James Bond films together. We know the nightmare that is caused by your way and allowing users to do what they wish, we can see the nightmare that this causes in other databases that exercise little in the way of user control. Is Profiler's system perfect...heavens no and never will be, but it is far superior to the anything that is out there and it will continue to evolve and get even better because it has standards that all users must adhere to. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 767 |
| Posted: | | | | Aaaaaannnnd.... we're off! |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,494 |
| Posted: | | | | I'm impressed ..
Only one spelling error... | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry |
| Registered: May 2, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 490 |
| Posted: | | | | Whenever I see a contributed [change of the] overview, I feel obliged to carefully cross-examine it to the original back cover scan, word for word and letter/character for letter/character. I tolerate no differences. To me that's the only way to do it. Otherwise everyone would be free to do it however (s)he liked. Maybe write the overview backwards for Memento? Oops, a slight Spoiler: (Select to view)spoiler there, LoL. |
| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,479 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting MikaLove: Quote: Whenever I see a contributed [change of the] overview, I feel obliged to carefully cross-examine it to the original back cover scan, word for word and letter/character for letter/character. I tolerate no differences. I do the same for the overview inside the back cover scan. Carefully cross-examined, pixel by pixel. A little long, but useful to be sure that errors are correctly reproduced. | | | Images from movies |
| Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,851 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote: A little long, but useful to be sure that errors are correctly reproduced. Since part of a "DVD Profile" is a collection of data about the packaging (and not the movie), why should there be a problem with accurately documenting that packaging? --------------- |
| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,479 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
Since part of a "DVD Profile" is a collection of data about the packaging (and not the movie)... Sorry, but for me the overview is that of the movie. If it was that of the packaging, it would be something like "You will find your DVD inside a nice digipack, with a slip cover using an original design by Peter MORTIS (who also designed the well known packaging of GLADIATOR and SCARY MOVIE). On this packaging, you will also find nice technical data about the movie on the DVD, as audio tracks, subtitles or runtime." | | | Images from movies |
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