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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
So that you can violate rules as you wish... I've asked you a dozen times before, and I'll ask you again: please stop lying. Having a different opinion, even if it's the wrong one, is fine, but why can't you do that without lying? By using the correct "Anthony Head" common name as established in that particular common name-finding thread, I am following the rules, not violating them. Saying that I am violating the rules with that is nothing more than a flat-out lie, and you know it. I just don't understand why you keep exposing yourself as a liar... All smoke and mirrors aside - as established earlier in this thread, you're doing this purely out of spite. You didn't get your way on a different matter, and as a form of "retaliation", you're now trying to invalidate each and every common name-finding thread, in an attempt to hurt those who didn't agree with you on that other matter. Extremely childish.  | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | For the record - and an attempt to end this nonsense once and for all: here's the last time that someone (Addicted2DVD) asked - and got - clarification from Ken about whether common name-finding threads overrule the CLT numbers or not. Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
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Ken... if you see this... tell me I am reading too much into this... and threads like this to prove the CLT is wrong is still ok.
Yes, you are.  Of course, surfeur51 will probably keep clogging the forums by bringing this up over and over (and over...) again, but try as he might, that won't change Ken's ruling, and therefore won't change the validity of common name-finding threads. |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Saying that I am violating the rules with that is nothing more than a flat-out lie, and you know it. Just answer those very simple questions: What are the CLT results for Anthony [Stewart] Head at present day ? Common name thread results are stating that we count TV series by season, and not by episode. Where is this written in rules? Where has Invelos said something about that? How many wrong credits are there in CLT (not conform to credits on screen) that need to be corrected ? Will this make the results change without any rule on TV episodes ? When you will have answered honestly to those questions, please tell us what rules say about the common name to use in this case. | | | | Images from movies |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
please tell us what rules say about the common name to use in this case. Anthony Head. Period. Again: you're clearly just acting out of nothing but spite here. You've got nothing to gain with this - it's just an attempt to make matters worse for everyone else, just because you didn't get your way on a different matter. It's a pretty sad sight, really... | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Anthony Head. Period. Your refusal to answer the questions proves you violate the rules, and you know it. | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
you violate the rules, and you know it. Liar! Once again: Anthony Head. |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | |  And you wrote I'm childish. The answers to my questions need just one or two words each. Your attitude shows clearly who you are. | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Your attitude shows clearly who you are. I should hope so, yeah. Unfortunately, your attitude shows clearly who you are, as well. Quote:
The answers to my questions need just one or two words each. Two words, to be exact: Anthony Head. All the rest is pointless hyperbole. |
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| Registered: December 13, 2008 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Just answer those very simple questions:
What are the CLT results for Anthony [Stewart] Head at present day ?
Common name thread results are stating that we count TV series by season, and not by episode. Where is this written in rules? Where has Invelos said something about that?
How many wrong credits are there in CLT (not conform to credits on screen) that need to be corrected ? Will this make the results change without any rule on TV episodes ?
These seem like valid questions to me. I can't find a rule or clarification that states we should count by season either. Yes I saw the poll, but that was certainly no landslide either way, and there was no official ruling either. That counting by episode might lead to results some of us don't want doesn't justify reading something in the rules that isn't there, surely? |
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| Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Mallrat: Quote:
Quoting surfeur51:
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Just answer those very simple questions:
What are the CLT results for Anthony [Stewart] Head at present day ?
Common name thread results are stating that we count TV series by season, and not by episode. Where is this written in rules? Where has Invelos said something about that?
How many wrong credits are there in CLT (not conform to credits on screen) that need to be corrected ? Will this make the results change without any rule on TV episodes ?
These seem like valid questions to me. I can't find a rule or clarification that states we should count by season either. Yes I saw the poll, but that was certainly no landslide either way, and there was no official ruling either. That counting by episode might lead to results some of us don't want doesn't justify reading something in the rules that isn't there, surely? Quoting SpaceFreakMicha: Quote:
Since CLT and profiler doesn't support profiles on a "per episode"-basis, it is ridiculous to count every episode. Counting per season makes much more sense, and even if we would count on a "per disc"-basis (meaning counting each season as 6 or 7 entries, depending on how many discs the season set includes), we still wouldn't have "Anthony Stewart Head" as common name, because he is credited in other series with multiple seasons as "Anthony Head".
CLT results are only way off, because people are not able to use the original title rules correctly. Current CLT counts discs not episodes, so episodes would be making much trouble. The alternate counting to match as good as possible to the CLT count would be per disc. Edit: just my two cents: Perhaps not correct in all cases, but in many. The main TV series credits are standarized. (Always copy and paste from one episode to the next) When they got changed, most times at a new season. The common name should reflect the most credited form of a name. If looking at this, is it very useful to count a simple copy and paste (episode)??  Imho not, so my vote went also for season, which is a good middle way between counting a complete series and counting episodes or discs. | | | | Last edited: by VirusPil |
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| Registered: December 13, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 334 |
| | Posted: | | | | I understand the problems counting by episode could cause for some of us, I do. And I don't really mind which way we go either. I'm not out to make trouble either, honestly.
The questions raised by Surfeur however just don't seem that outragious to me. And while I agree with SpaceFreakMicha that there are more logical options (such as per disc or per season) that, in our DVDprofiler world anyway, is irrelevant. We go by the rules, not by what is logical, as has been determined time and time again.
Common name threads are very useful, and that they can overrule CLT-results is clear to me also. But I take Ken's post to regard the correction of incorrect (possibly mined) data. The "jump" to count tv-dvds by anything other than what the CLT-results show? I don't see it. This may well should be in the the rules. But isn't. |
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| Registered: December 13, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting VirusPil: Quote:
which is a good middle way between counting a complete series and counting episodes or discs. Agree with you completely, when asked what I would like, personally I would vote for "per season" also. Wouldn't it be great if we could actually come to understanding on all sorts of matters that way? That the informed majority could decide and that the decision would be binding and added to the rules. Unfortunately some of us point to polls or threads when it suits them and ignore them when it doesn't... |
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| Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Mallrat: Quote:
... I'm not out to make trouble either, honestly. Sorry if my post sounded as I would think that. Quote:
... This may well should be in the the rules. But isn't. I'm always in favor for adding things to the rules which would help to stop the always argueing and discussing over and over again. (at nearly every point) |
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| Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Just to be complete to think about: When counting per disc, which would reflect the CLT as good as possible: What doing when the numbers of disc are different in different localities? Or difference between BluRay and DVD? ... And of course we should not forget the mistake the CLT adds because of the parent profiles which always give a +1 bonus in the count.  |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting VirusPil: Quote:
Just to be complete to think about:
When counting per disc, which would reflect the CLT as good as possible: What doing when the numbers of disc are different in different localities? Or difference between BluRay and DVD? ...
And of course we should not forget the mistake the CLT adds because of the parent profiles which always give a +1 bonus in the count. When Ken wrote in rules to take the common name from CLT, he said nothing about interpreting counts for TV series. He said CLT results, point. The only "correction" of CLT results he spoke of concerns wrong data (no conformity with credits). But this point is not the problem in the OP question. We have no reason not to follow strictly rules in this case as in all other cases. Opening the door to intelligent interpretation is an option that I wished, but was refused by a majority of users. So we have to follow rules, and here, taking Anthony Head as common name would be a violation of rules, as T!M perfectly knows, his refusal to answer my questions being an excellent demonstration. | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
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| Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
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