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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
I am following the way I see the credits. No more and no less then that. What you see is GERARD. But you do a little more : you transform upper case to lower case. And the way you do it is conform to Ken's clarification, but introduces a spelling mistake that was not in credits. | | | | Images from movies |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | As I said I felt it should be from the very beginning (even before Ken's clarification) whether you like it or not. I feel if I do not see an accent in the credits I do not believe there should be an accent in profiler. Not because that is what Ken clarified... but because that is how I see it in the credits. And once again... I really don't care if that means the name is mis-spelled. But do you listen to me? Nope... you go on to try to tell me what I want like you have any idea what I think.  | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
But do you listen to me? Nope... And you, do you listen to me ?  Perhaps I have no idea what you think, but I understood that you "really don't care if that means the name is mis-spelled". So we come back at the beginning : it's no more accurate to the credits, just to the way you see the credits in a language that is not familiar to you. | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Yes... just because I don't agree with you don't mean I don't listen. As I said earlier... Quote:
I know this is a pet peeve of yours... and I do feel for your situation... but I can't get myself to care about this "problem". And when have I ever told you what you want or what you think? No... you are the one putting words into my mouth, not the other way around. | | | | Pete |
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  | Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 |  Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
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But do you listen to me? Nope...
And you, do you listen to me ?
Perhaps I have no idea what you think, but I understood that you "really don't care if that means the name is mis-spelled". So we come back at the beginning : it's no more accurate to the credits, just to the way you see the credits in a language that is not familiar to you. I didn't know which of your replies tot cite, so I've chosen your last one. Just a question. What if Ken would have decided that you could decode a capital letter into an accented small letter. How could I know which letter is with accent and which one is without, let alone which accent is used? GERARD DEPARDIEU could be Gérárd Dépárdíéú, Gèrärd Dépardieu and so on. GERARD DEPARDIEU is a rather well-known French actor so I could easily find this on the web, but there are tons of actors which can't easily be find. | | | | Cor |
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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | This will be my last comment because the original posters question has been answered and I too will be going off topic.
Yves,
You have been trying for as long as I can remember to fix this area in the database. It is my opinion that the answer you seek is not going to happen.
It seems a waste of time to continually push an agenda that has not gone anywhere for many years.
I have a lot of patience but even I am tired of this never ending issue. I don't see any forward motion relative to this topic and don't believe there ever will be.
Anyone that frequents these forums knows how fervently you want this issue to be resolved differently.
Based on many years of reading threads revolving around this topic, I do not see that occurring . It might be time to resolve yourself to that fact. |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | At this point, I'd like to suggest that everyone stops "biting" every time Yves hijacks another thread with the same misguided stuff. It seems that every reply only further encourages him, and so we see thread after thread degenerate into, well, this. If only we had some form of moderation around here to help us keep threads on-topic, but since we apparently don't have that, maybe we can exercise some restraint ourselves? |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Corne: Quote:
How could I know which letter is with accent and which one is without, let alone which accent is used? I never asked for everybody knowing everything in any language. If you are not familiar with a different language, you just enter as you see. But as soon as another user, familiar with the concerned language, gives the correct spelling, this spelling should be accepted, and used. | | | | Images from movies |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
It might be time to resolve yourself to that fact. I can't do that. I love too much this program to accept this problem in the related database. Until Ken confirms the contrary, I shall always hope he will reconsider his position. At present time, there is a similar discussion on another thread for German ß. dvdprofiler wants (and deserves) an international success, has data from movies all over the world, and manages profiles in more than one hundred different countries. Ken should understand that the respect of other languages would be a huge "+" for his software. | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 |  Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
The local database is designed to support those areas in which are personal preferences do not align with those set by the owner of the program.
As usual Kathy is right  No one is force to use the online database or contribute to it. The database is just a starting point and it isn't more or less reliable than imdb. I must say that a lot of errors are present in the DVDP database presently and more are added everyday (that's why I do all my profiling work myself for myself). You just need to conform your local database with your preferences to please yourself and I can tell you the linking works in mine (I'm working on it), the roles are the real one use in the credits, every important crew members are included (whatever they are credited or not), I don't remove crew members because I think they are minor one (because of a an imaginary mystery knowledge), no weird movie titles are used (who care about a director ego or a graphic designer decision) and more importantly I use the correct spelling of the words. Of course I don't need 34759 contributions under my name to feel important... |
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| Registered: August 23, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting No_Name_Needed: Quote:
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The local database is designed to support those areas in which are personal preferences do not align with those set by the owner of the program.
As usual Kathy is right
No one is force to use the online database or contribute to it. The database is just a starting point and it isn't more or less reliable than imdb. I must say that a lot of errors are present in the DVDP database presently and more are added everyday (that's why I do all my profiling work myself for myself). You just need to conform your local database with your preferences to please yourself and I can tell you the linking works in mine (I'm working on it), the roles are the real one use in the credits, every important crew members are included (whatever they are credited or not), I don't remove crew members because I think they are minor one (because of a an imaginary mystery knowledge), no weird movie titles are used (who care about a director ego or a graphic designer decision) and more importantly I use the correct spelling of the words.
Of course I don't need 34759 contributions under my name to feel important... Agreed with this entirely. Both IMDB database and Invelos database have their issues, and both have mistakes. The Invelos DB is useless to me because it's not accurate in both linking and names (Asian names are wrong, accents, etc.) It's a very US centric database and I don't see it changing. Locally I use the IMDB database. It allows proper linking and is incredibly more accurate than the Invelos DB for my needs. Bottom line, it's what you prefer. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. |
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| Registered: March 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,851 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
In fact, IMDb is accurate for spelling of names in 99% of cases I'm impressed that you've been able to find the time to confirm this, given the vast size of IMDB's database. Quote:
Though we are not allowed to use directly IMDb data for Invelos purposes, it is by far the best database to use for our local profiles IMDB is indeed a good tool, but it is far from the final word on movie credits. --------------- |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
IMDB is indeed a good tool, but it is far from the final word on movie credits.
Nothing is Scott... Not even the movies credits themselves. But we all use a personal system who is the final word for us. | | | | Last edited: by Jimmy S |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Alien Redrum: Quote:
Locally I use the IMDB database. It allows proper linking and is incredibly more accurate than the Invelos DB for my needs.
Bottom line, it's what you prefer. Agree. Same for me. I'm in the process of switching from using the Invelos db for my local to using IMDb for my local (better linking and for more uncredited, which is really essential if you have an older film collection). | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan | | | | Last edited: by m.cellophane |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | This is what I do actually James (in fact it's a mix of imdb, the films credits and my personal knowledge) and it's way better than what we have here (the database have a real big flaw and it's the unreliability of the contribution system).
But be warned that it's a lot of crazy works when you decide to do that when you have a lot of movies. I do this since at least the last 3 weeks and not even 20% of my collection is corrected. |
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