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Another title question: I Spy |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Corne: Quote:
I read it differently, sorry... We can argue and make the same point over and over again in this topic now but I won't. I've made my point and explained how I came to the conclusion. I respect your opinion and how you're reading the rules. I hope you'll respect mine. Indeed I do. We don't always have to agree. As long as we are civil, I can live with differing opinions. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
|   | Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 |  Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting Corne:
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I read it differently, sorry... We can argue and make the same point over and over again in this topic now but I won't. I've made my point and explained how I came to the conclusion. I respect your opinion and how you're reading the rules. I hope you'll respect mine.
Indeed I do. We don't always have to agree. As long as we are civil, I can live with differing opinions. Agreed  | | | | Cor |
| | Registered: May 20, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | The rules have always been, if you can type it from the keyboard (lower ascii) it is not a symbol.
So the question comes down to this;
Is it or can it reasonably be considered a hyphen on the cover? We have a lot of titles where graphically, thing appear different. If it can be considered a hyphen and not a symbol, then we must enter the hyphen into the title field. If it is a symbol (what someone said looks like a square) then we must reference other other areas.
So, before we go looking at the credit block or title credits, is this a hyphen or a symbol? That is the only question to answer at this point.
Charlie |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 756 |
| | Posted: | | | | IMNSHO, it looks to me like a square dot in Italic font, not a hyphen. | | | | Chris | | | | Last edited: by Mole |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Corne: Quote:
In my opinion:
Title: I-Spy
Original Title: I Spy I agree. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote:
The rules have always been, if you can type it from the keyboard (lower ascii) it is not a symbol. That may have been the rules that you have applied but I have not and the written rules have never spelled this out. On the other hand the rules spell out "periods, dashes, or other symbols". Are you telling us that the period can't be entered from the keyboard? BTW Can't be entered from the keyboard and ASCII (which is always 7-bit therefore "lower") are very different things and the former depends highly on the keyboard and the input methods allowed. |
| | Registered: September 29, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,550 |
| | Posted: | | | | Riddle me this Profilers: If the letters and hyphen/not a hyphen, italicized or not, were normal size instead of oversized/enlarged, would the hyphen/symbol appear to be an actual hyphen? Hmm? Hmm? Discuss. | | | My one wish for the DVD Profiler online database: Ban or remove the disc-level profiles of TV season sets. It completely screws up/inflates the CLT.
FACT: Imdb is WRONG 70% of the time! Misspelled cast, incomplete cast, wrong cast/crew roles. So for those who want DVD Profiler to be "as perfect as Imdb", good luck with that.
Stop adding UNIT crew! They're invalid credits. Stop it! |
| | Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
Quoting CharlieM:
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The rules have always been, if you can type it from the keyboard (lower ascii) it is not a symbol.
That may have been the rules that you have applied but I have not and the written rules have never spelled this out. On the other hand the rules spell out "periods, dashes, or other symbols". Are you telling us that the period can't be entered from the keyboard?
BTW Can't be entered from the keyboard and ASCII (which is always 7-bit therefore "lower") are very different things and the former depends highly on the keyboard and the input methods allowed. While I agree, that this is not in the rules, I do quote Gerri Cole April 6, 2009 Quote:
For the purposes of special characters in the titles, if you can type it on a normal keyboard without using an upper ASCII character, then you can use it. So in this case, M*A*S*H would work, but the dots in between the letters in FRIENDS would not be appropriate. So it does come to the only issue - Is it a symbol or a hyphen? |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote:
While I agree, that this is not in the rules, I do quote Gerri Cole April 6, 2009
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For the purposes of special characters in the titles, if you can type it on a normal keyboard without using an upper ASCII character, then you can use it. So in this case, M*A*S*H would work, but the dots in between the letters in FRIENDS would not be appropriate.
So it does come to the only issue - Is it a symbol or a hyphen? But since Gerri's statement the rules have changed. A period is a symbol and why would a hyphen not be a symbol as well? |
| | Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Reading this Quote:
For titles which include periods, dashes, or other symbols, check the credit block on the back of the case if included. If not, check the film credits or opening sequence. Use these to determine whether to exclude or convert the symbol to a standard character such as ".", "-", or "*" Does not make since. In the first breath a period is associated as a symbol, then in the next it is a standard character. It is one or the other, it cannot be both. I hope that the period in the first is an error and was supposed to be a "dot" like in the "Friends" cover. Just saying.. Charlie Edit - I was always under the impression, that this rule was written to codify Gerri's comment into the rules, not to change it... | | | | Last edited: by CharlieM |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote:
Reading this
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For titles which include periods, dashes, or other symbols, check the credit block on the back of the case if included. If not, check the film credits or opening sequence. Use these to determine whether to exclude or convert the symbol to a standard character such as ".", "-", or "*"
Does not make since. In the first breath a period is associated as a symbol, then in the next it is a standard character. It is one or the other, it cannot be both. As I explained earlier, I think it can. The difference is that standard characters, while still symbols, can be entered while symbols that are not, think the star in JAG, can't. Quote:
Edit - I was always under the impression, that this rule was written to codify Gerri's comment into the rules, not to change it... As was I, but that isn't how it ended up being written...at least, not based on how I read it.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting CharlieM:
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Reading this
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For titles which include periods, dashes, or other symbols, check the credit block on the back of the case if included. If not, check the film credits or opening sequence. Use these to determine whether to exclude or convert the symbol to a standard character such as ".", "-", or "*"
Does not make since. In the first breath a period is associated as a symbol, then in the next it is a standard character. It is one or the other, it cannot be both.
As I explained earlier, I think it can. The difference is that standard characters, while still symbols, can be entered while symbols that are not, think the star in JAG, can't. I am referring to the reference to the " Period" and " ." in the first and last part. A period can be typed from a standard keyboard in all cases,a and should never be a question. A star as in JAG, to me is not questionable under this rule. Charlie |
| | Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Let me give a fictitious example
Let's say a movie in the credit role is named
"Crazy Dot Gov"
Credit block Says
"Crazy Dot Gov"
Cover says
"Crazy.Gov"
What do you put as the profile title?
When Gerri put out the statement, the title was "Crazy.gov"
now, are people telling me that I have to Verify that a period is a period before I cant put it into the title.
Let see if I have this
"If a period is on the cover, which I can type from my keyboard without special help or additional keystrokes, must look at the credit block and/or the screen credits to find out if a period is a period or not"
If this is the case, then all those Symbols of all those other talked about titles will have to be reexamined again, because I can type a 4 on the keyboard, but apparently things are not as they appear.
Crazy...
Charlie | | | | Last edited: by CharlieM |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote:
I am referring to the reference to the "Period" and "." in the first and last part. A period can be typed from a standard keyboard in all cases,a and should never be a question. I know exactly what you are talking about. As I said in my earlier post, it seems that the rules consider anything that isn't a number or a letter, to be a symbol. Hal seems to get the same impression as I do, though he didn't mention numbers. The fact that a period is a standard character, meaning you can type it on your keyboard, doesn't change the fact that it is also a symbol. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Posts: 823 |
| | Posted: | | | | If the credit block and opening title are "I Spy", I would interpret the square on the cover as part of the graphic design and not try to enter it by converting it to anything.
Unicode UTF-16 has a black square by the way. It is U+25A0 | | | | 99.9% of all cat plans consist only of "Step 1." |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Grendell: Quote:
If the credit block and opening title are "I Spy", I would interpret the square on the cover as part of the graphic design and not try to enter it by converting it to anything. That is, indeed, exactly what the rule is meant to achieve. When in doubt over when to include that thing on the cover, the rules direct us to the credits block and the film credits to determine whether it's part of the title or not. And the credits block plus film credits show us that it's not. So per the rules, the title is 'I Spy'. It really is no more difficult than that. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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