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Registered: April 14, 2007 | Posts: 415 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote: Quoting Addicted2DVD:
Quote: - Distinguishing between DVDs - Indicating special versions - Indicating collections As far as I'm concerned, the extremely basic comment that the DVD contains "A Widescreen Presentation" of the film is none of those. There are no other editions to disthinguish from, it's certainly no "special version", and I don't see any indication of any kind of "Collection" either.
Seriously: if this is an edition, then how are we going to stop pretty much every single tagline seen on the front cover from ending up in the "Edition" field? Where's the difference, honestly? Tag line? This is nowhere close. A tag line refers to the movie itself. This is a collection banner that has appeared on multiple releases by one studio. Tag lines are specific to one movie. As far as "A Widescreen Presentation", it was used in the early days of DVD by Columbia TriStar UK. Does that make it any less important? No. Yes, I would and have added this to the edition field. |
| | Corne | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
Registered: April 5, 2007 | Posts: 1,059 |
| Posted: | | | | I have re-read the rule concerning the edition field. I come to the conclusion that in this case it isn't allowed by this rule.
The first part of the rule: "The Edition field is for distinguishing between DVDs, and for indicating special versions and collections."
There is no other version, so no need for distinguishing it from another DVD, nor is it a special version or a collection indicator.
The second part of the rule: "If you are using a non-standard description, take it from the DVD box, and ensure it will help distinguish between different releases of the same title." 'A Widescreen Presentation' isn't a standard description, nor does it distinguish this release from another release of the same title (because there is no other release). | | | Cor |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | Now don't get on me for this... as I am just stating what I was told when I made a similar argument years ago.. but...
As you said.. the rule states...
"If you are using a non-standard description, take it from the DVD box, and ensure it will help distinguish between different releases of the same title."
The rule states that it will help distinguish between different releases of the same title. Not a different "current" release of the same title. No where in that rule does it say there has to be another release of the same title currently. Just that it will help. And if another release comes it would help.
So going strictly by the rules... no other release out currently don't matter.
But I will also say that the rule don't say it has to be a different release of the same format. If the movie is out on DVD and Blu-ray... there is different releases. If it is out on DVD and HD DVD there is different releases. So with that rule... one could even factor in different formats of a release.
Now... I am not saying that I completely agree with that... but I have to admit that the rule definitely can be read that way. | | | Pete |
| | T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote: I am not saying that I completely agree with that... That's good. Of course pretty much every rule can be "interpreted to death", but please, let's stay in the realm of the reasonable this time. |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,678 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote: Now don't get on me for this... as I am just stating what I was told when I made a similar argument years ago.. but...
As you said.. the rule states...
"If you are using a non-standard description, take it from the DVD box, and ensure it will help distinguish between different releases of the same title."
The rule states that it will help distinguish between different releases of the same title. Not a different "current" release of the same title. No where in that rule does it say there has to be another release of the same title currently. Just that it will help. And if another release comes it would help.
So going strictly by the rules... no other release out currently don't matter.
But I will also say that the rule don't say it has to be a different release of the same format. If the movie is out on DVD and Blu-ray... there is different releases. If it is out on DVD and HD DVD there is different releases. So with that rule... one could even factor in different formats of a release.
Now... I am not saying that I completely agree with that... but I have to admit that the rule definitely can be read that way. I disagree. Since you don't know what a possible future released will look like, you don't know what the info in the edition field will be, and therefore you cannot ensure that it helps to differentiate the releases. Thus the rule can only be applied to current releases. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users. Gunnar |
| Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,475 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote: Quoting Addicted2DVD:
Quote: I am not saying that I completely agree with that... That's good. Of course pretty much every rule can be "interpreted to death", but please, let's stay in the realm of the reasonable this time. I am sure this is not your intent but this can be taken to mean that 50% of the voters are unreasonable. |
| | T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote: I am sure this is not your intent but this can be taken to mean that 50% of the voters are unreasonable. No, instead I believe that the majority of the "yes"-voters really haven't looked at the rule closely before casting their vote. Unfortunately, that happens quite a lot... Polls 101: Part of the users answers the question the way they'd like it to be, another part of the users answers based on a vague memory of what the rules say (or, in some cases, used to say), and then there's a tiny percentage of the users that actually answers the actual question - based on what the current rules actually say. Anyway, GSyren already did a wonderful job in exposing the fatal flaw in that particular line of reasoning. It just doesn't fly. | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| Registered: June 21, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,621 |
| Posted: | | | | I voted yes and didn't read all the replies, so sorry if I sound like any of them.
I voted yes due to knowing for a fact that this is just like Paramonut's "Widescreen Collection". Now it used to seem like well over half the time there was no FS version, but with many of the Paramounts, I keep seeing "Full Screen Versions" at Big Lots and Wal-Mart that I never saw before. This has me convinced that while many are still a waste of words, many others are actually distingushing from FS versions. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting bigdaddyhorse: Quote: I voted yes and didn't read all the replies, so sorry if I sound like any of them.
I voted yes due to knowing for a fact that this is just like Paramonut's "Widescreen Collection". This is why I voted 'yes' as well...not to mention the fact that the rules specifically say that 'widescreen', on it's own, is a valid entry for the edition field... Never add distinguishing factors to the title (such as "Widescreen" or "Special Edition"). Use the Edition field for these.The Edition field is for distinguishing between DVDs, and for indicating special versions and collections (for example The Criterion Collection, Widescreen, Full-Screen Edition, Director's Cut).If 'widescreen', on it's own, is a valid entry, how can anybody claim that "A Widescreen Presentation' isn't? | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: June 21, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,621 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: This is why I voted 'yes' as well...not to mention the fact that the rules specifically say that 'widescreen', on it's own, is a valid entry for the edition field...
Never add distinguishing factors to the title (such as "Widescreen" or "Special Edition"). Use the Edition field for these. The Edition field is for distinguishing between DVDs, and for indicating special versions and collections (for example The Criterion Collection, Widescreen, Full-Screen Edition, Director's Cut).
If 'widescreen', on it's own, is a valid entry, how can anybody claim that "A Widescreen Presentation' isn't? We rest our case! |
| Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,087 |
| Posted: | | | | Just taking Godzilla (1998) from first page as example. Locality UK. There are 5 different DVD versions in database. (without bundles) 1 without Edition 2 Superbit 1 A widescreen Presentation 1 Deluxe Widescreen Presentation And now tell me the Editions don't help to distinguish the versions? Edit: Just from Cover seems the Deluxe Widescreen Presentation to be a fake, but doesn't change what I want to tell you. | | | Last edited: by VirusPil |
| | Corne | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
Registered: April 5, 2007 | Posts: 1,059 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting VirusPil: Quote: Just taking Godzilla (1998) from first page as example. Locality UK.
There are 5 different DVD versions in database. (without bundles) 1 without Edition 2 Superbit 1 A widescreen Presentation 1 Deluxe Widescreen Presentation
And now tell me the Editions don't help to distinguish the versions?
Edit: Just from Cover seems the Deluxe Widescreen Presentation to be a fake, but doesn't change what I want to tell you. In that case the problem is solved... | | | Cor |
| Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,087 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Corne: Quote: Quoting VirusPil:
Quote: Just taking Godzilla (1998) from first page as example. Locality UK.
There are 5 different DVD versions in database. (without bundles) 1 without Edition 2 Superbit 1 A widescreen Presentation 1 Deluxe Widescreen Presentation
And now tell me the Editions don't help to distinguish the versions?
Edit: Just from Cover seems the Deluxe Widescreen Presentation to be a fake, but doesn't change what I want to tell you.
In that case the problem is solved... Ok, perhaps not good explained. *Sorry* I just wanted to show it with such an "Edition", we have not just 5 times Godzilla in database, so user who want to add a special version to wishlist for example don'T have to look at each profile to find the version they want to add. I know some examples were nearly all versions in database are the "Extended" version. No one will argue it's Ok to add this to the Edition field. But does it help for distinguishing in such a case? No! It just helps for seeing which version of the movie it is, which is also allowed by the rules. So I can't see much difference between a "A widescreen peresentation" release or a "Criterion Collection" or a "Cinema Oscar Edition". All some kind of an indicator of the release. |
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