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Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Formerly known as...: Quote: It's not the only difference between the actual cover though.
The submitter has said they've composited the banner on to it. That in itself, makes it a custom cover. Then please point the other differences out. And any alteration of a scan makes it a custom cover - are you saying we should automatically vote no to anyone removing dust marks or scratches or rounded corners? I remember a while ago someone submitted a cover for a limited edition horror dvd, and for giggles made the limited number "666" - that makes it a custom cover. Are you saying we should all have voted no to that because he didn't leave his own number on it? | | | Last edited: by northbloke |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Formerly known as...: Quote: It's not the only difference between the actual cover though.
The submitter has said they've composited the banner on to it. That in itself, makes it a custom cover. I agree... this is the same way I personally see it. Of course from there it is up to Invelos if they want to make an exception in this case. But as I stated before... if I had this release I would vote no as the way I read the rules I feel this mock-up is against the rules. And I personally wouldn't feel right about voting neutral on something that I feel is against the rules... just because I don't agree with the rules in one particular case. | | | Pete |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | In my eyes there is a huge difference in cleaning up an image (I've found more times then not the dust and all is from the scanner... not the cover that you scan... so I don't feel that is comparable to this) and taking a whole section from 1 source and adding it to another source to get the image as it needs to be. | | | Pete |
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Registered: July 31, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,506 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
Then please point the other differences out.
And any alteration of a scan makes it a custom cover - are you saying we should automatically vote no to anyone removing dust marks or scratches or rounded corners?
I remember a while ago someone submitted a cover for a limited edition horror dvd, and for giggles made the limited number "666" - that makes it a custom cover. Are you saying we should all have voted no to that because he didn't leave his own number on it? As previously stated, the banner itself is the difference between the DVD cover and the slip cover. Whilst minor differences might be allowed, that is one major difference. The rules don't allow for adding in data like that. As for removing dust/scratches, that's something entirely different. You're removing things which aren't actually on the cover. You're leaving the actual product as it is. As for changing the number, I certainly wouldn't change it around like that. Unless it could be 100% proven that they didn't actually own that number though, you couldn't vote against it. |
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Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Formerly known as...: Quote: As previously stated, the banner itself is the difference between the DVD cover and the slip cover. Whilst minor differences might be allowed, that is one major difference. The rules don't allow for adding in data like that. No, I'm talking about differences between the actual slipcover and this composite image. Isn't that the most important thing? Twelvemonkeys has submitted a good image of the front of the slipcover. How he came about that image is not important. The rules do not dictate where the images should come from, all that's important is the final result. And as for the number example, the user actually stated in the notes what they had done. Are you saying that everyone should have automatically voted "no" to that regardless of the quality of the image simply because of the changes to the number? | | | Last edited: by northbloke |
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Registered: July 31, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,506 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
Isn't that the most important thing? Twelvemonkeys has submitted a good image of the front of the slipcover. How he came about that image is not important. The rules do not dictate where the images should come from, all that's important is the final result. I don't agree. Regardless of similarity, it is a custom cover from more than one source. Really it's no different to taking say a US cover, sticking a BBFC rating on the front and then submitting it as a UK cover. Would people still vote yes to that? | | | Last edited: by Ardos |
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Registered: March 28, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,299 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Formerly known as...: Quote: Really it's no different to taking say a US cover, sticking a BBFC rating on the front and then submitting it as a UK cover. Would people still vote yes to that? If the end result was near identical to the actual UK cover, hell yes I would. | | | Tags, tags, bo bags, banana fana fo fags, mi my mo mags, TAGS! Dolly's not alone. You can also clone profiles. You've got questions? You've got answers? Take the DVD Profiler Wiki for a spin. |
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Registered: March 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,018 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting snarbo: Quote: Quoting dee1959jay:
Quote: it makes me wonder if he actually had the slipcover at hand to compare the old and new scans to the real thing...
Just for your benefit:-
Here
If you still don't believe just ask and I'll pkotograph any other part as well.
I don't like people who call me a liar Just for the record: I had no intention whatsoever to imply you were lying, and if my post came across that way I can only offer you my sincere apologies. My intention was not to question whether you really own the disc, but wonder if you pulled it out to compare it to both the existing and the new scans. Sometimes a cover in real life looks somewhat different than you remember it - that HAS happened to me, and so I presumed it could happen to others. Once again my apologies. |
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Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Astrakan: Quote: Quoting Formerly known as...:
Quote: Really it's no different to taking say a US cover, sticking a BBFC rating on the front and then submitting it as a UK cover. Would people still vote yes to that? If the end result was near identical to the actual UK cover, hell yes I would. So would I. If the submitted image looks like the cover I hold in my hand and is an improvement over what is in the online, I don't care how the image was created. |
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Registered: March 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,018 |
| Posted: | | | | Agreed. Moreover, the fundamental difference with using a US cover and sticking on a BBFC rating (let alone with using random porn images) is that all data came from the release in question and that nothing was added using external sources. |
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Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,479 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
No, I'm talking about differences between the actual slipcover and this composite image. Isn't that the most important thing? Twelvemonkeys has submitted a good image of the front of the slipcover. How he came about that image is not important. The rules do not dictate where the images should come from, all that's important is the final result. Totally agree with that. We want an image reproducing exactly the cover. The way it is obtained has no importance. | | | Images from movies | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
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Registered: July 31, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,506 |
| Posted: | | | | How can something which isn't actually what is seen an improvement?!
This is two separate images stitched together to give a similar appearance.
The way it is obtained is definitely of importance IMHO. You can't just create something new and claim it as original artwork. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,946 |
| Posted: | | | | Personally, I don't like the idea of composed images in the database. I don't see how the rules would allow this. It states the inner cover can only be used if the slip is reflective, and the inner is identical. Personally, in case of reflective covers, I try to take a photograph with a digital SLR camera. Often this gives nice results. I know not everyone has the necessary equipment to do this. Anyway, as an alternate solution, I will be happy to host the composed image on my site, so those who want it, can download it. So, TwelveMonkeys, should your contribution get declined, check out this topic. If you like, just send me the scans, and I'll share them. | | | View my collection at http://www.chriskepolis.be/home/dvd.htm
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Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,479 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Formerly known as...: Quote: You can't just create something new and claim it as original artwork. Original artwork was produced by a cover maker artist and is not available for anybody. The cover is not original, just a reproduction, using printing methods. This reproduction can be scanned (digital method), photographed (digital method) or treated by software (also just a digital method). What is important is to obtain something which is closest to the reproduction seen on the cover. All other considerations about the way it was obtained, have, in my opinion, no interest. | | | Images from movies | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
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Registered: July 31, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,506 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote: Quoting Formerly known as...:
Quote: You can't just create something new and claim it as original artwork.
Original artwork was produced by a cover maker artist and is not available for anybody. The cover is not original, just a reproduction, using printing methods. This reproduction can be scanned (digital method), photographed (digital method) or treated by software (also just a digital method). What is important is to obtain something which is closest to the reproduction seen on the cover. All other considerations about the way it was obtained, have, in my opinion, no interest. You're just arguing there for the sake of it. You know exactly what I meant. | | | Last edited: by Ardos |
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Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,479 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Formerly known as...: Quote:
You're just arguing there for the sake of it. You know exactly what I meant. That means that I'm not allowed to say things as I see them ??? I find your remark highly disgusting... Well, in this case, bye for this discussion... Edit, just to illustrate my position : | | | Images from movies | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
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