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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I am just amused at the complete hypocrisy. When you want to create a Rule out of whole cloth that is perfectly fine, when someone actually wants to FOLLOW the Rules or explain the hypocrisy he is to be denigrated. It's become a joke, a very unfunny one. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
|   | Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 |  Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
I am just amused at the complete hypocrisy. When you want to create a Rule out of whole cloth that is perfectly fine, when someone actually wants to FOLLOW the Rules or explain the hypocrisy he is to be denigrated. It's become a joke, a very unfunny one. I agree with you on that one. The rules concerning the use of the dividers aren't extensive and wide open for allowing dividers for many kinds of headers, groupings and teams from the film credits. An empty divider is definitely in a grey area though. An empty divider isn't mirroring the film credits and the argument that it's a separate group is debatable. | | | | Cor |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Corne: Quote:
An empty divider is definitely in a grey area though. An empty divider isn't mirroring the film credits and the argument that it's a separate group is debatable. I am afraid I have to disagree. A large gap does not indicate a 'logical grouping', it is simply a large gap. As I pointed out, earlier in this thread, there is a logical grouping here, but the rule specifically prohibit using a divider for it. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting Corne:
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An empty divider is definitely in a grey area though. An empty divider isn't mirroring the film credits and the argument that it's a separate group is debatable.
I am afraid I have to disagree. A large gap does not indicate a 'logical grouping', it is simply a large gap. As I pointed out, earlier in this thread, there is a logical grouping here, but the rule specifically prohibit using a divider for it. Which rule specifically prohibits it? Because I can't find one. I can only reason that an empty divider isn't really mirroring the actual film credits and only the main cast credit 'group' does have a divider-like header ("Cast") but that divider isn't allowed by the rules. | | | | Cor | | | | Last edited: by Corne |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting Corne:
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An empty divider is definitely in a grey area though. An empty divider isn't mirroring the film credits and the argument that it's a separate group is debatable.
I am afraid I have to disagree. A large gap does not indicate a 'logical grouping', it is simply a large gap. As I pointed out, earlier in this thread, there is a logical grouping here, but the rule specifically prohibit using a divider for it. Oh please. You didn't create the Rule and in this case neither did i. As you have told me so many times, the only person who knows is Ken Cole, not you nor James nor i. Corne is absolutely correct and that is what I have been saying and you can't provide an answer, because there isn't one, The Rule on dividers as it is currently drafted can go either way. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | As the original poster has pointed out (and thank you for the screen cap - that is quite helpful), the divider system is inadequate in this case.
And, since the divider system is fairly new it may need to be tweaked. It might be helpful to outline a list of areas that need to be added or improved.
If this is something that the community thinks needs to be addressed, I would be interested in hearing some ideas which can then be brought to the features request forum. | | | | Last edited: by Kathy |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I am for that, but I am tired of the hypocrisy here, kathy, and users that seem to believe that only they possess they Rosetta Stone and therefore have the ability to create and interpret Rules at their whim. I have seen quite enough of this the last several years and it has caused numerous problems. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Skip, the problem is that it is not possible for everyone to see things the same way. For instance, have you ever, even once, seen a unanimous poll?
I would like to ask everyone not to bring up the past - nothing can be done to change that. Please try and focus on what we can do.
For example, things to think about: What do you like about the new system. How might we make it better? What areas would you like to see changed/improved? |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Corne: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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Quoting Corne:
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An empty divider is definitely in a grey area though. An empty divider isn't mirroring the film credits and the argument that it's a separate group is debatable.
I am afraid I have to disagree. A large gap does not indicate a 'logical grouping', it is simply a large gap. As I pointed out, earlier in this thread, there is a logical grouping here, but the rule specifically prohibit using a divider for it.
Which rule specifically prohibits it? Because I can't find one. I can only reason that an empty divider isn't really mirroring the actual film credits and only the main cast credit 'group' does have a divider-like header ("Cast") but that divider isn't allowed by the rules. I was thinking about this, because it is a shame we can't put some form of divider in there, and the relevant rule reads: Quote:
"Cast", "In order of appearance" or other similar headers at the start of the credits should not be entered. I've bolded the important bit. In this case, because we have 3 credits before the "Cast" header, it can no longer be said that it's at the start, so in my reading of that rule a divider of "Cast" would be allowed to separate the credits. What do you guys think? |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,328 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
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"Cast", "In order of appearance" or other similar headers at the start of the credits should not be entered.
I've bolded the important bit. In this case, because we have 3 credits before the "Cast" header, it can no longer be said that it's at the start, so in my reading of that rule a divider of "Cast" would be allowed to separate the credits. What do you guys think? I agree. That's how I read that line in the rules. | | | | My Home Theater |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,946 |
| | Posted: | | | | Hmm, never thought of using the cast header in this example. That's actually a better solution than the blank group divider. | | | View my collection at http://www.chriskepolis.be/home/dvd.htm
Chris |
| | Registered: October 6, 2008 | | Posts: 1,932 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
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"Cast", "In order of appearance" or other similar headers at the start of the credits should not be entered.
I've bolded the important bit. In this case, because we have 3 credits before the "Cast" header, it can no longer be said that it's at the start, so in my reading of that rule a divider of "Cast" would be allowed to separate the credits. What do you guys think? Correct. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Corne: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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Quoting Corne:
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An empty divider is definitely in a grey area though. An empty divider isn't mirroring the film credits and the argument that it's a separate group is debatable.
I am afraid I have to disagree. A large gap does not indicate a 'logical grouping', it is simply a large gap. As I pointed out, earlier in this thread, there is a logical grouping here, but the rule specifically prohibit using a divider for it.
Which rule specifically prohibits it? Because I can't find one. I can only reason that an empty divider isn't really mirroring the actual film credits and only the main cast credit 'group' does have a divider-like header ("Cast") but that divider isn't allowed by the rules. This is what I was talking about when I said the rule specifically prohibits it. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Oh please. You didn't create the Rule and in this case neither did i. As you have told me so many times, the only person who knows is Ken Cole, not you nor James nor i. Corne is absolutely correct and that is what I have been saying and you can't provide an answer, because there isn't one, The Rule on dividers as it is currently drafted can go either way. Please be so kind as to show me where I ever claimed that I created the rule. You can't, because I didn't. As always, I am offering my opinion on the rule. If we are no longer allowed to do that, then Ken should delete this forum. As to Corne being 'absolutely correct', he simply misunderstood my post...as it seems you also did...as he ended his post talking about the same rule I was talking about. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
I was thinking about this, because it is a shame we can't put some form of divider in there, and the relevant rule reads:
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"Cast", "In order of appearance" or other similar headers at the start of the credits should not be entered.
I've bolded the important bit. In this case, because we have 3 credits before the "Cast" header, it can no longer be said that it's at the start, so in my reading of that rule a divider of "Cast" would be allowed to separate the credits. What do you guys think? You bring up an interesting point. Technically, you are correct. Is that what Ken intended? I doubt it, but the rule says what it says so...I retract my previous statement. I still believe that a blank divider is not permitted but, in this case, 'Cast (in order that you should know their names)' is. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | As long as users do not feel obliged to vote consistently with the Rules and I just saw another such case, involving many of the people in this thread. Their input on the same is of no import, Ken has clearly made a decision that the program relative to the Online data should appeal only to a majority of users and not ALL users...as it should and CAN. This is the single largest reason that I have decided to limit my contributions to corrections to highlight bad data which has been approved by people ignoring the Rules in either Contribution or vote, despite the fact that I am beginning to reclaim my library from off site storage. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
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