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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Because there are differences in opinion, this topic is heading towards the usual negative comments unrelated to the issue at hand. P
So, I am going to bring this issue to the rules Committee and let Ken decide if Studios needs to be addressed in the Box Set rules. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | I personally think.... IMHO... that anything that will mess up the results for the charts, reports, filters and such should be blank in the parent profile... which to me is no more then a profile for a box. Which means if I had my way we wouldn't add anything but the scans, UPC, Cover Images and Overview.
Anything else will add false additions to the charts and such. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Rho:
That is still a conditional, you obviously don't understand that. You applying to different answers to the same question depending on what parameters you are wanting to use. Conditionals ALWAYS cause problems, ONE answer, and it's the way most of us have done it for YEARS. Now of course if you want to do it your way locally you free to do so. If you think that tells you something...go for it. But don't contribute it. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
I personally think.... IMHO... that anything that will mess up the results for the charts, reports, filters and such should be blank in the parent profile... which to me is no more then a profile for a box. Which means if I had my way we wouldn't add anything but the scans, UPC, Cover Images and Overview.
Anything else will add false additions to the charts and such. Unfortunately, Pete, Rho doesn't comprehend that. His on;y purpose was to spark an argument and controversy. But I agree with you. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Thank you everyone for your input. My proposal, based on the poll results, and submitted to review is:
In addition to the above, the following are not included on the box set profile: Subtitles, Audio & Disc Features. List them with the individual profiles.
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In addition to the above, the following are not included on the box set profile: Studios, Subtitles, Audio & Disc Features. List them with the individual profiles. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Rho:
That is still a conditional, you obviously don't understand that. You applying to different answers to the same question depending on what parameters you are wanting to use. Conditionals ALWAYS cause problems, ONE answer, and it's the way most of us have done it for YEARS. Now of course if you want to do it your way locally you free to do so. If you think that tells you something...go for it. But don't contribute it. Until the rules are changed, studios are allowed in box set profiles. Therefore I can contribute them. But these days I rarely buy new box sets. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
I personally think.... IMHO... that anything that will mess up the results for the charts, reports, filters and such should be blank in the parent profile... which to me is no more then a profile for a box. Which means if I had my way we wouldn't add anything but the scans, UPC, Cover Images and Overview.
Anything else will add false additions to the charts and such. I can understand your logic. But the rules are different. They explicitly ask for runtime, production year, and rating. Those fields mess up your filter, charts, and reports results as well. Actually the rules just prohibit data in the following fields: credits, Easter eggs, disc ids, subtitles, audio & disc features. All other data relevant for the entire set is allowed. | | | | Last edited: by RHo |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | I realize this... that is why I said if I had my way. I know I don't.
If I had my way it would be no more then UPC, Overview and Scans. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
I realize this... that is why I said if I had my way. I know I don't.
If I had my way it would be no more then UPC, Overview and Scans. There is more data directly attached to the box only (e.g. SRP). See my posting in the rules committee forum for a more complete list. But as said, I can see your logic. But until now the rules differ (silently for studios but explicitly for other fields such as runtime and production year). |
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| Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,945 |
| | Posted: | | | | The poll results are 40:6, it cannot be much more clear what should be done..... | | | | www.tvmaze.com |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
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Rho:
That is still a conditional, you obviously don't understand that. You applying to different answers to the same question depending on what parameters you are wanting to use. Conditionals ALWAYS cause problems, ONE answer, and it's the way most of us have done it for YEARS. Now of course if you want to do it your way locally you free to do so. If you think that tells you something...go for it. But don't contribute it.
Until the rules are changed, studios are allowed in box set profiles. Therefore I can contribute them. But these days I rarely buy new box sets. Rho: Yes you can contribute we are also free to vote NO on them and based upon the poll I would expect you to see a LOT of No votes, and I certainly hope that you do. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Yes you can contribute we are also free to vote NO on them and based upon the poll I would expect you to see a LOT of No votes, and I certainly hope that you do. You could vote No. But this would violate the voting rules: Quote:
If a user is following the Contribution Rules and his/her data is accurate, and the contribution replaces data which is inaccurate or violates these Contribution Rules, a "No" vote is considered an abuse of the voting privilege and should be avoided when possible. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
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(...) besides what's the point for a CoO for a box set? Is that the country where the package has been produced  ? (...)
As with the studios, the country of origin makes sense, if it's the same for all movies in the box, which is often the case.
You are also supporting yet another unnecessaru conditional. NO. Enough with the Conditionals already
No conditional needed! We enter the data which is valid for the entire set. What if one or two of the cast are common to all of the movies in the boxset (James Bond, for instance). Are you proposing that they should be entered in the parent profile? How about crew? What if the A/R is the same for all of them? Or they all have Spanish subtitles? This makes no sense to me. There is no production studio involved in creating the Boxset. None should be entered. EDIT: Kathy, you need to specifically state that "Production Studios" are not to be entered, to avoid any ambiguity. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
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Yes you can contribute we are also free to vote NO on them and based upon the poll I would expect you to see a LOT of No votes, and I certainly hope that you do.
You could vote No. But this would violate the voting rules:
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If a user is following the Contribution Rules and his/her data is accurate, and the contribution replaces data which is inaccurate or violates these Contribution Rules, a "No" vote is considered an abuse of the voting privilege and should be avoided when possible. Youi cl;early have not paid attention to ken. Also if you are free to add data that is not covered by the Rules, we are likewise free to vote OUR conscience. And I WILL. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
What if one or two of the cast are common to all of the movies in the boxset (James Bond, for instance). Are you proposing that they should be entered in the parent profile? How about crew? What if the A/R is the same for all of them? Or they all have Spanish subtitles?
This makes no sense to me. There is no production studio involved in creating the Boxset. None should be entered. It makes sense that the rules explicitly prohibit data in those fields. And it makes sense that the rules allow data in the rest of the fields. For example many box sets consist of a film and its sequel. Often both of those films are produced by the same studio(s). I can see no reason to not include those studios in the parent. Other box sets have a different common base such as a genre or an actor. In those cases often the studios are different and should not be entered to the profile because they are not valid for the entire box set. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
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Yes you can contribute we are also free to vote NO on them and based upon the poll I would expect you to see a LOT of No votes, and I certainly hope that you do.
You could vote No. But this would violate the voting rules:
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If a user is following the Contribution Rules and his/her data is accurate, and the contribution replaces data which is inaccurate or violates these Contribution Rules, a "No" vote is considered an abuse of the voting privilege and should be avoided when possible.
Youi cl;early have not paid attention to ken. Also if you are free to add data that is not covered by the Rules, we are likewise free to vote OUR conscience. And I WILL. Of course you will. But in my experience the screeners do ignore such votes. |
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