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| Registered: April 7, 2007 |  Posts: 357 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMovieman: Quote:
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Since HD formats are never Anamorphic this can only refer to the DVD so it sort of makes sense to apply it if the DVD is anamorphic. It is not possible to select this for HD only profiles. Since the program allows it's selection after you add a DVD it would tend to indicate that it is an option. It makes no difference to me, any DVD copy of the main feature is used as a slightly better digital copy by me.
Yes, but if that's OK then why not add the audio info as well? Obviously we shouldn't, so why should the video be any different? Because the Audio is common to both disks, anamorphic can only apply to the DVD so if it were not relevant why doesn't it stay greyed out when a DVD is added? Adding a DVD to an HD profile adds the option to select anamorphic. You have no option but to select PAL or NTSC which also does not apply to the Blu ray; so why not include the more accurate info which is that the DVD is anamorphic. So can I be clear if extras are not on an HD format disk they don't get included on the root profile? | | | | Last edited: by Graveworm |
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,550 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Graveworm: Quote:
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Since HD formats are never Anamorphic this can only refer to the DVD so it sort of makes sense to apply it if the DVD is anamorphic. It is not possible to select this for HD only profiles. Since the program allows it's selection after you add a DVD it would tend to indicate that it is an option. It makes no difference to me, any DVD copy of the main feature is used as a slightly better digital copy by me.
Yes, but if that's OK then why not add the audio info as well? Obviously we shouldn't, so why should the video be any different?
Because the Audio is common to both disks, anamorphic can only apply to the DVD so if it were not relevant why doesn't it stay greyed out when a DVD is added? Adding a DVD to an HD profile adds the option to select anamorphic. You have no option but to select PAL or NTSC which also does not apply to the Blu ray; so why not include the more accurate info which is that the DVD is anamorphic.
So can I be clear if extras are not on an HD format disk they don't get included on the root profile? It's common, yes, but often times there is not a Dolby Digital 5.1 track on the Blu-ray (if there are, how can we tell if it's on the Blu-ray or the DVD? I know it's not a big deal to some, but I like having accurate info), it's usually either TrueHD or DTS-HD MA/HR. And since the DVD profile can be added as a child profile, all that info will be on there for anyone who wants it. As to your question, I would not include any extras that are not on the Blu-ray itself (unless the second disc is a BD, like the Monsters Inc BD release which has 2 BD discs, 1 DVD disc and 1 digital copy). Again, if there are features on the DVD disc, it can be added as a child profile to the Blu-ray. | | | | Last edited: by The Movieman |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,494 |
| | Posted: | | | | can't seem to locate this right now,, but didn't I read somewhere that there are now some BD titles that are being release in non anamorphic widescreen?? can someone point me the way..? | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,550 |
| | Posted: | | | | I have over 550 BDs and have yet to encounter a non-anamorphic widescreen transfer. Full frame (1.33)? Yes. Letterboxed? Not so far. Standard Definition features are sometimes letterboxed (especially older features). I have also seen some Blu-rays take 1.85 and even 2.35 aspect ratios and turn them into 1.78 to appease those who want their Blu-rays to fill the screens, thus giving full frame a new definition, lol. | | | | Last edited: by The Movieman |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 844 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting widescreenforever: Quote:
can't seem to locate this right now,, but didn't I read somewhere that there are now some BD titles that are being release in non anamorphic widescreen?? can someone point me the way..? To the best my knowledge no BD is ever released anamorphically encoded as the native is already 16X9. This is stricly a DVD issue, nnless someone decides to start anamorphically enhancing releases for 2.35 even-wider-widescreen displays.  But I don't see that happening anytime soon. | | | | Last edited: by bob9000 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,217 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMovieman: Quote:
I have over 550 BDs and have yet to encounter a non-anamorphic widescreen transfer They are ALL non-anamorphic. There simply is no such thing as a anamorphic BD! There is obviously some serious mis-naming going on here: BDs have a native picture-ratio of 16x9 DVDs have a native picture-ratio of 4x3 anamorphic (DVD-wise*) is a procedure to squeeze a 16x9 picture into 4x3, thus giving you more resolution vertically by losing(!) horizontal. That didn't matter much because of how old tube TVs work. cya, Mithi * There is also anamorpic FILM, but that's even another story. | | | | Mithi's little XSLT tinkering - the power of XML --- DVD-Profiler Mini-Wiki | | | | Last edited: by Mithi |
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,550 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Mithi: Quote:
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I have over 550 BDs and have yet to encounter a non-anamorphic widescreen transfer
They are ALL non-anamorphic. There simply is no such thing as a anamorphic BD!
There is obviously some serious mis-naming going on here:
BDs have a native picture-ratio of 16x9
DVDs have a native picture-ratio of 4x3
anamorphic (DVD-wise*) is a procedure to squeeze a 16x9 picture into 4x3, thus giving you more resolution vertically by losing(!) horizontal. That didn't matter much because of how old tube TVs work.
cya, Mithi
* There is also anamorpic FILM, but that's even another story. You, of course, are right. Sorry for the misinformation. And btw, no need to yell... Simple bolding would've been fine.  | | | | Last edited: by The Movieman |
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| Registered: March 10, 2007 | | Posts: 4,282 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting bob9000: Quote:
Its a pickle.
I like pickles. This. Now, back to the topic at hand. Assuming we stick with the idea to allow DVD to be the primary media type if listed first (a pending change at the moment), then the checks for anamorphic and PAL/NTSC are both necessary options. If the rule had remained as it now exists, I could have removed those from profiles which contain HD media. | | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative | | | | Last edited: by Ken Cole |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
Assuming we stick with the idea to allow DVD to be the primary media type if listed first [...] I see no need for that - instead, I'm perfectly content with consistently using the Blu-ray as the primary media type. Does the community really want this change? Quote:
If the rule had remained as it now exists, I could have removed those from profiles which contain HD media. That's what I'd prefer. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 79 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Mithi: Quote:
They are ALL non-anamorphic. There simply is no such thing as a anamorphic BD! Technically, that's not necessarily correct. We need to distinguish BD as a data carrier from the content it contains. It is quite possible for a blu-ray disc to have the main feature encoded as anamorphic SD. I'm not aware of any such disc published yet, but as BD production costs decrease and player penetration increases releasing SD content on blu-ray discs will become an interesting option (1 BD can replace 5-6 DVDs). So in practical terms, the anamorphic tick-box is not needed for blu-ray discs today, but it may become useful in the future. |
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| Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,945 |
| | Posted: | | | | I strongly agree with T!M here, Blu-Ray is ALWAYS the primary format, so far I never came across a DVD that has a bonus Blu-ray, it is always the other way around, and if there are really 3 items out there, that would do it that way, screw those 3  cheers Donnie | | | | www.tvmaze.com |
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,550 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DarklyNoon: Quote:
I strongly agree with T!M here, Blu-Ray is ALWAYS the primary format, so far I never came across a DVD that has a bonus Blu-ray, it is always the other way around, and if there are really 3 items out there, that would do it that way, screw those 3
cheers
Donnie Actually, Disney did release Toy Story 1 & 2 in DVD packaging with the Blu-ray as the bonus. They did this as well for Snow White. Oh, and Fox just recently released a few catalogue titles like Alvin and the Chipmunks which lists on the front top as DVD and Blu-ray in a DVD case. |
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| Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Always making Blu-ray the primary does simplify some things, like avoiding any disputes over what's primary, but complicates others, like what info should be listed on the child DVD if it gets released both ways ala Toy Story? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMovieman: Quote:
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I strongly agree with T!M here, Blu-Ray is ALWAYS the primary format, so far I never came across a DVD that has a bonus Blu-ray, it is always the other way around, and if there are really 3 items out there, that would do it that way, screw those 3
cheers
Donnie Actually, Disney did release Toy Story 1 & 2 in DVD packaging with the Blu-ray as the bonus. They did this as well for Snow White. Oh, and Fox just recently released a few catalogue titles like Alvin and the Chipmunks which lists on the front top as DVD and Blu-ray in a DVD case. Which does not necessarily mean that we make the DVD the parent profile in profiler. I would agree with T!M that even in those cases the BD should be the main profile for profiler purposes. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
(...) but complicates others, like what info should be listed on the child DVD if it gets released both ways ala Toy Story? How's that? The parent would describe the BD and the child the DVD. |
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