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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting Grendell:
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Quoting TheMadMartian:
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If you looked it up, provide the links to that information in your notes.
The problem with this is 9 times out of 10 "no" votes will be cast with "links mean nothing" or "links are invalid" and that's that. You can't imagine that people will continue to try to contribute after experiencing this.
Birth Year documentation is all about links. The BY thread is full of links. Because of that, I have a hard time believing that anybody would get those kinds of votes on a BY submission...unless, of course, the links are invalid. 
Note, I am not saying it doesn't happen as there is no way for me to know, but it wouldn't make any sense.  Just an excuse from a not surprising source. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
I want to be clear about what I think. All what I want is to work for the best database, useful for all users. That is also the goal of everyone here, I have no doubt about that.
I disagree with some other opinions, since everybody do not see things in the same manner. I personnaly find two types of places in those forums. Some friendly places where we share headshots, layouts, translation files, technical tips, images or alternate covers, and an ugly place, full of hateful comments and bitter discussions, the contribution forum. I consider voting system, associated with poor designed rules, as the main cause of this reality. The result is some contributors leaving contribution, or making (as I do), only partial contributions, leaving in their local everything controversial to avoid no votes, which means in fact poor contributions in volume. I do not think this is the best for ALL users. Most will be happy with a complete profile even if one typo has not been reproduced exactly as on cover, but this profile no more exists, at least in zone/countries with few contributors. US contributors have no idea of the state of the database in some places and the wish of "per the rule" perfectionism goes against general interest.
And to go a little further to explain my position : I never got no votes on my change contributions (though I mainly contribute new profiles), and will do all I can to avoid such a branding. On the other hand, I avoid as much as possible to inflict that to contributors who worked to help others, and I gave only two or three no votes on extremely erroneous contributions. I also quite never vote yes, as most contributions contain at least one small error, and a yes vote would be against those stupid rules. Yves: The problem is that a set of Rules for profiler was developed and they are not what YOU want. You drone on and on and speak as if you have ALL the answers and if the game is not played your way...you won't play. You would have a lot more credibility if you played the game within the rules and worked for change instead of your endless carping. You seem to believe standing outside the building and throwing rocks at it will somehow change the building. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
You would have a lot more credibility if you played the game within the rules and worked for change instead of your endless carping. I give my opinion about the global effects on contributors, which are bad. I will not alone fill the database in my zone/country for DVD I do not own. As for my credibility, you should rather think to yours.  | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Uh Huh, i see a lot of manipulation of the database outside the rules in your list, Yves. But then i am not surprised. You are creating global problems with your Contributions because you are very clearly ignoring the rules, as you manipulate things your way. Or is that your sorting of James Bond Films. Skip  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
|   | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Uh Huh, i see a lot of manipulation of the database outside the rules in your list, Yves. No, you don't see that at all. Please stop making such unfounded accusations all the time.  Quote:
But then i am not surprised. Thank you so much for sharing this with all of us. Too bad there was nothing to be surprised (or not suprised) about. Quote:
You are creating global problems with your Contributions No, he does not. Quote:
because you are very clearly ignoring the rules No, he is not. Quote:
as you manipulate things your way. He's done no such thing. Quote:
Or is that your sorting of James Bond Films. It is indeed. What's with the "attack first, ask questions later" attitude? | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Thanks T!M.
Moderators should take a look at my contributions, and say what they think about Skip's attack...
But this just proves what I wrote about this contribution forum. | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Or is that your sorting of James Bond Films. You can't determine from the picture who has contributed the title field of the profiles displayed. And you can't determine the correct title, if you can't see the cover of those regional releases matching the profiles displayed. EDIT: you can't even determine whether the title displayed matches the title in the online database. Hint: the title displayed is the title in the contributor's database which maybe has not been contributed. | | | | Last edited: by RHo |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | You weren't attacked, yves. You were complaining again, but you weren't attacked.
The big difference is that you wnat to ignore data and make you feel are necessary corrections (typos) and instead of following the data make adjustments for culture. Corrections for supposed typios is just out, that is not the data. As for your cultural adjustments I have always and still do seek ways to acknowledge that without creating fictions which do not actually appear. It seems that while we all want the global issues you refer to, in order for those to function we must have a common place from which to start, and you want it your way. All we have is a common starting point based on REAL data, the data that appears On screen or the back cover or whatever the source we are supposed to be using. I only deal with data, not imagination, mine or anyone else's. Let us imagine for a moment that we had access to or created our own card system of actor/crew data that was filled out by the person. Now let us suppose that we had card filled out as Francois Cevert would you still insist that because he was a FRENCH race car driver that it should be François Cevert and claim that he made some sort of mistake, I would hope not. We just have to start somewhere and that starting point is what the credits say, what actually appears there, not what you or i think it should be on any basis whatsoever. It's a simple process. I support being able to allow for you to François Cevert (Francois Cevert) if ken decides to allow it, but that would fly in the face of what ken has previously said that we are not after "correct" name but most commonly CREDITED name. But that's Ken's decision, he has not yet allowed for "correct" name and probably shouldn't as that would likely opena whole new can of worms...but if he chooses...fine.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,749 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
I want to be clear about what I think. All what I want is to work for the best database, useful for all users. That is also the goal of everyone here, I have no doubt about that.
I disagree with some other opinions, since everybody do not see things in the same manner. I personnaly find two types of places in those forums. Some friendly places where we share headshots, layouts, translation files, technical tips, images or alternate covers, and an ugly place, full of hateful comments and bitter discussions, the contribution forum. I consider voting system, associated with poor designed rules, as the main cause of this reality. The result is some contributors leaving contribution, or making (as I do), only partial contributions, leaving in their local everything controversial to avoid no votes, which means in fact poor contributions in volume. I do not think this is the best for ALL users. Most will be happy with a complete profile even if one typo has not been reproduced exactly as on cover, but this profile no more exists, at least in zone/countries with few contributors. US contributors have no idea of the state of the database in some places and the wish of "per the rule" perfectionism goes against general interest.
And to go a little further to explain my position : I never got no votes on my change contributions (though I mainly contribute new profiles), and will do all I can to avoid such a branding. On the other hand, I avoid as much as possible to inflict that to contributors who worked to help others, and I gave only two or three no votes on extremely erroneous contributions. I also quite never vote yes, as most contributions contain at least one small error, and a yes vote would be against those stupid rules. The best solution would be to develop your own program and your own set of rules, market it, sell it and then you can have your db exactly as you would like it, locally and online, which I assume would match. Quit attacking this program and it's set of rules. We all know, as with all things, there are always exceptions and not everything can be perfect. You have a very nice way of putting things that make them sound good. I just don't like the constant attack on DVDP. I don't mean this as an attack, just my reply for all the negative remarks. There now I've made my own set of negative remarks. Have a nice day, and I mean that sincerely.  | | | | Marty - Registered July 10, 2004, User since 2002. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
You weren't attacked, yves. (...) This is no attack? Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Uh Huh, i see a lot of manipulation of the database outside the rules in your list, Yves. But then i am not surprised. You are creating global problems with your Contributions because you are very clearly ignoring the rules, as you manipulate things your way. Or is that your sorting of James Bond Films.
Skip You accuse him of manipulating the title fields against the rules as shown in the contributions on the image posted by him. Just for fun, I have downloaded one of the James Bond titles on the picture into my wish list. I can tell you that the title field in the online profile does not match the title shown on the picture. Neither is the title field part of the contribution. Below you can see the contribution notes which do in no way give any suspicion of not matching what's contributed. Hint: only a single field is contributed. Quoting the contributon notes: Quote:
Added disc ID. Data taken on disc with dvdprofiler program. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mreeder50: Quote:
The best solution would be to develop your own program and your own set of rules, market it, sell it and then you can have your db exactly as you would like it, locally and online, which I assume would match.
Quit attacking this program and it's set of rules. We all know, as with all things, there are always exceptions and not everything can be perfect. You have a very nice way of putting things that make them sound good. I just don't like the constant attack on DVDP.
I don't mean this as an attack, just my reply for all the negative remarks. There now I've made my own set of negative remarks.
Have a nice day, and I mean that sincerely. I can't see the bold part (bolded by yourself) as anything different than an attack. |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 |  Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mreeder50: Quote:
Quit attacking this program and it's set of rules. I just don't like the constant attack on DVDP.
Since when we have lost the right to critic a software that we paid for I read way more critic than that on the forum of others software I own. It's perfectly normal and without those critics nothing gets better... |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,749 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
Quoting mreeder50:
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The best solution would be to develop your own program and your own set of rules, market it, sell it and then you can have your db exactly as you would like it, locally and online, which I assume would match.
Quit attacking this program and it's set of rules. We all know, as with all things, there are always exceptions and not everything can be perfect. You have a very nice way of putting things that make them sound good. I just don't like the constant attack on DVDP.
I don't mean this as an attack, just my reply for all the negative remarks. There now I've made my own set of negative remarks.
Have a nice day, and I mean that sincerely.
I can't see the bold part (bolded by yourself) as anything different than an attack. I only meant them to highlight the areas that I was referring to. If someone is not happy with the current system and it's rules, which belong solely to Ken and company, then move on to something that is better suited to your (meaning anyones) needs. Forgive me for sounding harsh, but I am originally from the northern part of Pennsylvania in the U.S. and we tend to be blunt and to the point and don't tend to have a lot of tact, especially with words. Again, I apologize for coming off to strongly. | | | | Marty - Registered July 10, 2004, User since 2002. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
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You would have a lot more credibility if you played the game within the rules and worked for change instead of your endless carping.
I give my opinion about the global effects on contributors, which are bad. I will not alone fill the database in my zone/country for DVD I do not own. The rules do not cause this problem, it's people who are unwilling to work within the rules that causes this problem. I do not like every rule but, if I want to contribute...and give something back to the community...I have to follow them. Does that mean I have to do a little extra work? Yes, but that is a small price to pay. If more people would do that, instead of complaining about the rules, you would have fewer empty profiles. That is, of course, just my opinion. Quote:
As for my credibility, you should rather think to yours.
***IMAGE REMOVED*** I am not sure what the image was supposed to prove, other than you contributed a lot of titles today. It can't add, or detract, from your credibility as it does not show whether or not you "played the game within the rules and worked for change instead of your endless carping," as Skip put it. If those are full audits, I tip my hat to you. I have the same number on my contribution page, but it took me nearly a month to contribute them all...though they were, mostly, full audits and I don't have the time to do more than one a day. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | I think some people have legit complaints about their treatment, but this is not case in point. If you had explained in your submission what you did in this thread, it would have been accepted. Not everyone is familiar with the Trailer Park Boys, so this isn't obvious to everyone. |
| | Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
... Or is that your sorting of James Bond Films. ...
I think Skip is referring to this one: http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=366170&PageNum=2But we've still 411 profiles with 007 as part of the title in database. So this is and was something that is accepted. So why blaming someone for this, even if this just could be the local title.  This is saying nothing about the quality of the contribution. Btw, isn't that much off-topic. |
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