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King Arthur title question
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantRooster6975
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Quoting dee1959jay:
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Ah yes, a second look at the front cover made me see your point. Sorry for being overly confident. 
The alternative view would then be:
Title: King Arthur: Director's Cut
Edition: Extended Unrated Version
Original Title: blank.

Personally, I would still choose my original interpretation, but your mileage may vary...


I may as well jump in here.  Here is the rule governing the Original Title field :
Original Title
The Original Title field serves two general purposes, but in both cases allows for the tracking of the original feature title. Use the title from the film's credits. In cases where the title is the original title, leave the Original Title field blank.

    * Foreign Films: The Original Title field will contain the original title for the main feature in the country of origin.  i.e. A German DVD release for a film originally produced in the United States would have the German title in the Title field and the English title in the Original Title Field.
    * Modified Titles: The Original Title field will contain the original theatrical title, while the Title field will contain the title of the DVD release.  For instance, for the Special Edition rerelease of There's Something About Mary:
          o Title: There's Something More About Mary
          o Original Title: There's Something About Mary

So I would go with :
Title: King Arthur: Director's Cut
Edition: Extended Unrated Version
Original Title: King Arthur

This interpretation seems to match most precisely the example cited in the rules above for There's Something More About Mary.

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That ignores the rule for editions, which precedes the modified title rule:

The Edition field is for distinguishing between DVDs, and for indicating special versions and collections (for example The Criterion Collection, Widescreen, Full-Screen Edition). It's usually safe to use one of the built-in selections if appropriate. If you are using a non-standard description, take it from the DVD box, and ensure it will help distinguish between different releases of the same title.

This is a special version, the director's cut, of the original film.  I don't see how it can be considered part of the title.
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Yes Marvin, I agree for the most part.  I wouldn't put "Director's Cut" in the title field of my many other DVDs which are DVD-only director's cuts.  However, this film very specifically lists the title on the cover of the DVD and on the film board at the start of the movie as "King Arthur: Director's Cut".

It is the same as the example cited in the rules for "There's Something More About Mary" which also lists the title very specifically so as to differentiate itself from the Theatrical Release.  If, for instance, the director chose to change the name of this movie to "Antoine Fuqua's King Arthur", we wouldn't be having this discussion.  That would be the Title (as per the rule about Possessive Titles), and the original title would be "King Arthur".  The fact that they very deliberately changed the title to include "Director's Cut", I think, makes all the difference (and caused this discussion).

I just had a look, and many of my other DVDs which are director's cuts do not change the film board, nor do they change the actual title of the movie on the cover of the DVD.  Instead, they have a banner across the top reading "Director's Cut".  They generally only change the DVD menu screen, but not the film board AND the DVD cover.

So I personally think the rules state that the DVD title should be "King Arthur: Director's Cut".  But just like Max Webster used to say, "I'm sleazy and easy to please", so if this interpretation annoys the majority of people, I am happy to drop the last bit from the profile title.

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Quoting Rooster6975:
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It is the same as the example cited in the rules for "There's Something More About Mary" which also lists the title very specifically so as to differentiate itself from the Theatrical Release.  If, for instance, the director chose to change the name of this movie to "Antoine Fuqua's King Arthur", we wouldn't be having this discussion.  That would be the Title (as per the rule about Possessive Titles), and the original title would be "King Arthur".  The fact that they very deliberately changed the title to include "Director's Cut", I think, makes all the difference (and caused this discussion).

Actually, unless the possesive made it into the credt block on the back of the case, it would not be part of the title.  The credit block for this film reads, "King Arthur".  That, at least for me, is further proof that it is not part of the title.  JMHO.
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This is the first of any alternate version of a film I've ever seen to say "Director's Cut" on the screen. If that wasn't there, then it's simple, King Aurther is the title and original title, everything else is editon.
Since it is on the screen, I'd say it should go in the original title field.

Just like Dee1959Jay said:

Title: King Arthur
Edition: Director's Cut: Extended Unrated Version
Original Title: King Arthur: Director's Cut

Only using the 'not really original title' because it was on the screen. I wonder if the crew invovled in putting the D.C. together did this just to **** with us.
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