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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I believe I have demonstrated rather graphically the absurdity based on potential storage requirements, if my assumption regarding the number of potential profiles is concerned, James. There are variables involved that I can't know the answers to that relate directly to Invelos and the amount of storage they are currently using or how much such an idea might involve. But base on what i do know it is probably coast prohibitive, that's the point, there is HUGE difference between database bloat as it reklates to data and as it relates to graphics. And for you to assume that based on Ken's comment as it pertained to data then carries over to graphics as well is the absurdity, James, are you aware that right NOW our typical data file is somewhere around 120 times SMALLER than our typical graphics file. The numbers are not real hard to crunch, my friend, and I haven't even gone into, beyond storage, what such an idea might do the bandwidth explosion Invelos would probably experience, and that would not come chap either. I see this as three separate and distinct problems James. And they are very simple !. The Programming Issue-Since I am not familiar with delphi, I can't say how difficult this might be 2. The Storage Space Issue-As I have outlined above 3. The Bandwidth Issue-Which I lac sufficient information to reach a conclusion I did not intend to argue this because there is nothing argue. Right now we can't do it, simple, immediate answer tyo the question. I can also explain a bit of the history behind the Rule. What will happen "tomorrow" when releases the next versions..I have no idea..I can state that it took FIVE years before Ken gave us the oft requested more Crew data. One thing that programming and database development has taught me, James, is patience. But all too sadly instead of really reading and comprehending what I am saying and why I might be saying some users perfer to pick arguments, which ultimately damages the arguer far more than it does me. Skip<shrugs>  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Jubal: Quote:
I believe I have demonstrated rather graphically the absurdity based on potential storage requirements, if my assumption regarding the number of potential profiles is concerned, James. There are variables involved that I can't know the answers to that relate directly to Invelos and the amount of storage they are currently using or how much such an idea might involve. But base on what i do know it is probably coast prohibitive, that's the point, there is HUGE difference between database bloat as it reklates to data and as it relates to graphics. And for you to assume that based on Ken's comment as it pertained to data then carries over to graphics as well is the absurdity, James, are you aware that right NOW our typical data file is somewhere around 120 times SMALLER than our typical graphics file. The numbers are not real hard to crunch, my friend, and I haven't even gone into, beyond storage, what such an idea might do the bandwidth explosion Invelos would probably experience, and that would not come chap either.
Skip<shrugs> We added data and graphics for disc level profiles for TV sets over the objections of some that spoke about database bloat. What's the difference. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | . | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | James:
You are raising question which neither of us have the answer. I can only do the math based on one assumption, there is much that Ken has available to himself which neither of us has that could offer a more complete analysis. you made a statement, that essentialy even has exceeded my own exoectations relative to TV, but was still largel based upon data and you are rtying to carry it forward to another topic entirely and the logic does not appear to fly very far. Remeber James, the biggest differenc between ou and me is that you arguing based on YOUR stated position. I have not and will not take a positionpro or con, though I have one. I am merely arguing from the standpoint of a programmer and businessman who is trying to make some money for his family. You have chosen to pick an argument for NO REASON (or at least not one I care to elucidate) For all you know I might be in complete favor of the idea but just can't get the math to work OTOH I simply migh find the proposition to be silly, you don't know and i am going to share either way because I can't fairly evaluate the concept with a publicly stated position.
Whish is about where i put your comments. You HAVE publcily stated your position and creating some unusual arguments to support that position when the evidence says something else entirely. I don't think, and i think your comments support the propositiion, that you can fairly determine what the answer MIGHT be.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Jubal: Quote:
James:
You are raising question which neither of us have the answer. I can only do the math based on one assumption, there is much that Ken has available to himself which neither of us has that could offer a more complete analysis. you made a statement, that essentialy even has exceeded my own exoectations relative to TV, but was still largel based upon data and you are rtying to carry it forward to another topic entirely and the logic does not appear to fly very far. Remeber James, the biggest differenc between ou and me is that you arguing based on YOUR stated position. I have not and will not take a positionpro or con, though I have one. I am merely arguing from the standpoint of a programmer and businessman who is trying to make some money for his family. You have chosen to pick an argument for NO REASON (or at least not one I care to elucidate) For all you know I might be in complete favor of the idea but just can't get the math to work OTOH I simply migh find the proposition to be silly, you don't know and i am going to share either way because I can't fairly evaluate the concept with a publicly stated position.
Whish is about where i put your comments. You HAVE publcily stated your position and creating some unusual arguments to support that position when the evidence says something else entirely. I don't think, and i think your comments support the propositiion, that you can fairly determine what the answer MIGHT be.
Skip  Sorry that you think I'm trying to pick an argument. I'm just in favor of a feature request. You are correct that neither of us know the answer. I was just curious why you labeled my side "absurd" since you know as little as I do. Regardless, I still support the feature request but have no expectation that Ken will implement it. If he does, cool. If not, no harm, no foul. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | And because you have taken public stance, you canno present an objective argument. This is very simple.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I won't take a public position, since it would color my analysis. Imight take a private stance that requires something else entirely.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Jubal: Quote:
And because you have taken public stance, you canno present an objective argument. This is very simple.
Skip I'll remember this every time in the future in which you express an opinion.  | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Oh I have no doubt.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 453 |
| | Posted: | | | | I have to agree with James, I would like to see this feature too if nothing else than for the cover scans. There cant possibly be new covers for every new re release out there it would not take up much more space.
Or an alternative for updating re release titles, I know there is a thread somewhere but there is still covers missing from it that I personally don't have the right equipment to scan properly. |
| | Registered: April 7, 2007 |  Posts: 357 |
| | Posted: | | | | I am not that bothered about this, but from Ken's point of view I can see it has merits. Most of us here have seen the system grow and understand what is going on, but we are not adding much to the coffers. A new user might input a couple of barcodes find out that the cover art is different to their disk, pretty common with slip cases and tins etc. and decide the program is not all that, I doubt many would do much to discover why. That's lost revenue, of course only Ken can decide if the juice is worth the squeeze.
One observation I would make in the case of re-release submissions that sometimes people can be very terse in their "No" comments. It's almost certainly the case that the person submitting has gone to some effort in the belief that it was a valid contribution and had no idea that it was based on a re-release so, in these cases, I try and be as kind as I can. | | | | Last edited: by Graveworm |
| | Registered: March 10, 2009 | | Posts: 2,248 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
Quoting Jubal:
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And because you have taken public stance, you canno present an objective argument. This is very simple.
Skip
I'll remember this every time in the future in which you express an opinion. In that cause i don't think you will ever get it out of your head  |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Death:
I try very hard to evaluate things fairly and without any pre-conceived ideas. Now I personally think that is the best way for ME to operate, since I try very hard to keep my focus on the LARGER community as a WHOLE and not just what I want, you want or what James wants. Somebody has to try and be neutral, now most users don't understand that granted, but it is best in my book and with my own background in DB development, it has always worked for me for many years and this database is no different.
I am not arguing the validity of the wish, it has merit, but based on the incomplete information which i do have the math simply doesn't seem to work. I will offer this up for a long time Ken has spoken of a Profiler Plus, while none of US has much of an idea exactly what this might consist of, the last information that I think we had on it was that it would be an additional subscription service on top of the base Profiler, this might be something that would work within Profiler Plus. That might help mitigate the storage and bandwidth questions.<shrugs>
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 10, 2009 | | Posts: 2,248 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Jubal: Quote:
Death:
I try very hard to evaluate things fairly and without any pre-conceived ideas. Now I personally think that is the best way for ME to operate, since I try very hard to keep my focus on the LARGER community as a WHOLE and not just what I want, you want or what James wants. Somebody has to try and be neutral, now most users don't understand that granted, but it is best in my book and with my own background in DB development, it has always worked for me for many years and this database is no different.
I am not arguing the validity of the wish, it has merit, but based on the incomplete information which i do have the math simply doesn't seem to work. I will offer this up for a long time Ken has spoken of a Profiler Plus, while none of US has much of an idea exactly what this might consist of, the last information that I think we had on it was that it would be an additional subscription service on top of the base Profiler, this might be something that would work within Profiler Plus. That might help mitigate the storage and bandwidth questions.<shrugs>
Skip Well thanks for explaining why you constantly seem to be answering the questions. All im asking though is re releases with the same UPC be worked into the database. That these re releases be counted as separate titles with the same UPC but with an option to clearly label them re releases. And unless you have a clear idea how many titles apply to this i don't think you can start making any sort of mathematical conclusion that it is unworkable. |
| | Registered: February 23, 2009 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,580 |
| | Posted: | | | | I guess there would be a possibility to program this into DVDP and the online database and I think it would make for a nice addition. How to go about this, I don't know and leave up to the specialists to decide  However, for the time being, what I do is: - for releases that no longer have a slip cover: make a coverscan myself and change the case type to remove the slipcover option - for releases with alternate covers: make a coverscan myself to replace the original with Of course, all of this in my local database. | | | Blu-ray collection
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