Taro, my friend, I will take Press release data before I will take any OTHER data, I just don't get access to them often enough. The Press Release announces the DVD NOT the movie, so your logic falls a tad short, BTW. The official Press Release is the best source for data when we have it, right down to the SRP because we get an unvarnished SRP. I am sorry, my friend, I NEVER will support FICTIONAL data anywhere when I have some form of OFFICIAL Source for data, and in this case we clearly now have completely fictional data, which was totally made up by a user. I can never condone such.

When the title hist the streets then of course the ACTUAL data as released is what Rules, but we are 6 weeks from this particular release.

Steeeeerike One, Taro

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A note for m. cellophane who very clearly does not understand the Rules and thinks we can number episodes even when they are n ot included in an Overview listing.

The TV rules state first and foremost
"The following are Clarifications to the standard Rules for TV Series on DVD:" thei does NOT mean that basic Rules are replaced..

Now the specific Rule in Tv for Overviews says.
Complete Series/Season & Anthologies of Episodes - A simple list of Episodes may also be added to the standard overview. Do not add episode synopses to the overview field, but these can be added to the local non-contributed “Notes” field.

There is NOTHING there that discusses NUMBERING in any form, James, it says we can include a list, but that list does NOT have to include numbers, just a list.

So, James let's go back to the basic Rule for overviews is there anything about numbering there...NO!!!!!!!!!!!! There is not

The basic Rules however do say
"Copy the overview from the back of the DVD case exactly as written, including capitalization of words exactly as shown on the back of the case. Separate all paragraphs with a blank line.

This means, James that if there is an Episode listing as part of an Overview on a back cover and said listing does not use numbering, then you can't invent numbering and there is absolutely NOTHING to support any contention that you can create fictional data...of any kind.. You are of course free to do whatever you wish locally. You are not however free to Contribute such data or vote to maintain data which is in direct violation Rules..

In short, James you are dead WRONG. You do not have the ability to impose your own will wrongfully on the database. Yes i am saying flat-out that you , sir are voting in direct violation of the Rules., and further there is no way for you to spin it to seem like you are doing anything other than ignoring the Rules.

James, as noted in this particular thread by more than myself. This does not apply when we have to construct an Episode list out of whole cloth...in other words there is not an Episode list that is published on the back cover . We are allowed to provide a SIMPLE Episode listing per the Rules. But in thi case, also as noted by miore than myself, this is about data which IS on the back ocover and therefore basically a part of the Overview, then we list the data EXACTLY as it is seen on the back cove....see no numbers....type no numbers...see bullet points....type bullet points.....see NOTHING....type NOTHING.

I consider it deeply regrettable that I must do this, James, but neither will I allow you to continue to set yourself up as the arbiter of the Rules when it is clear you don't even comprehend basics. IF there is a printed Episode list, AND that Episode list contains NO NUMBERING then you cannot create a fiction, that simple, James. A lot of the Rules have become far more complicated than necessary through your actions and this is a fine example . This is very simple to understand, but not for you, because you WANT there to be numbers despite the Rules, so the answer is ignore or bend the Rules to YOUR will, which then causes problems for everyone else.

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From what I can assess this is about the Star Trek: Season 2 Blu-ray overview and whether to number the episode list or not. The source for this overview is apparently the Paramount Press Release. Why was any overview submitted to begin with. There's not one anywhere on the submitted back cover at all, let alone an episode list.

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From what I can assess this is about the Star Trek: Season 2 Blu-ray overview and whether to number the episode list or not. The source for this overview is apparently the Paramount Press Release. Why was any overview submitted to begin with. There's not one anywhere on the submitted back cover at all, let alone an episode list.

Since I voted on these submissions, allow me to clarify why I voted as I did:
- if there is a list of episodes on the back cover, we should copy-paste that. In this case, there is not
- if there is no episode list on the back cover we are allowed to add a simple episode list ourselves. Here, the rules do not specify in what format that should be and neither explicitely forces nor forbids numbered episode listings. In general, I've noticed contributors tend to use numbered episode lists in that case.

With that in mind, I believe the current submission isn't in violation of the rules.

Skips submission with bullet-points, is also a valid submission but I don't see why we would change the existing profile, considering:
- it's not in violation of the rules (see above)
- nowhere in the rules is it stated that we should take a press release as a source, only the back cover is mentioned.
- season 1 has a numbered list so for the sake of uniformity, if both submissions are according to the rules I tend to go with the one that provides some sense of uniformity.

I guess I missed this point earlier so I downloaded the profile to see what all the fuss was about.

As it turns out, this is about a submission, for a pre-release profile, that changes the simple episode list...which is allowed per the rules...to the episode list contained in a press release...which, while a nice source, is not a source that is mentioned in the rules.

Yes, the rules say to "Copy the overview from the back of the DVD case exactly as written," but there is no DVD case here so that rule does not apply.  The rule that does apply, at least in my mind, is the one that states we should "Make sure your contributions add significant value to the database."

This is a pre-release profile.  Exactly what value is added by reformatting the data?  In my opinion, once the basic data has been accepted, it should be left alone until the title is actually released.  There was no need to add the episode numbers to the existing list, and there is no need to remove them now.  This all seems much ado about nothing, but that's just me. 

Oh I disagree, I don't fault Unicus's logic. BUT according to his logic and yours Hal, then we should not be entering any pre-release data at all, which is ludacrous. And you know how abhorrent i find your wild west concept to be, Hal. Still remembering a user that was allowed to change an SRP for ONE penny, despite the Rules, he and some voters totally ignored the Rules based on a Press Release,,,which you are now telling me is not a valid source. Do you not see the disconnect. So in pre-release you can do ANYTHING you want INCLUDING entering fictitious UPC #s?  I don't think so. That is just to bizarre when you start extending that logic.

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I agree with Unicus regarding correcting info on a pre-release profile.

I've got one in my list right now where one pre-release cover is being replaced with another. I wont vote "No" but I just don't see the point in it either since neither is going to be there for long anyway.

Skip,

You are master of over-reaction.  Nowhere did I say that no data can be entered for a pre-release.  Nowhere did I say fictitious UPCs can be used.  Nowhere did I say that an SRP of one penny would be acceptable.  Nowhere did I say that a press release was invalid ( I said I would avoid them, because that is my personal preference).

Whatever valid information is available for a pre-release should be entered and sourced.  For other fields that have to do with technical specs, if they are not sourceable, they should be left blank.  I have no problem with copying the cast from a previous release.  If it is different, then it can be corrected when released.  Who is in the movie is kind of important information when making purchasing decisions.

Unlike Unicus, I think an Overview should be entered in a pre-release so that people that don't know can find a little bit out about the movie.  Since the actual back cover Overview is not available yet, then yes, the field is wide open as long as it actually describes the movie in question.  I don't consider that to be a "Wild West" approach.

I do agree with Unicus that once entered, the overview data should not be changed until the actual release comes out and the "official" overview is available.