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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributorm.cellophane
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Before I forget: thank you for your input, schaumi - it's much appreciated.    Let's hope many users - maybe Ken, too - will use it to their, and our collective, advantage.

Yes, and I appreciate it too. It's always nice to read info from people who know what they are talking about instead of from people who are just dictating what the rules tell us.

Yes, the input is appreciated; however, it's really a Ken issue. Convincing other people in this thread won't really do much until the rules are updated for all to see.
...James

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Yes, and I appreciate it too. It's always nice to read info from people who know what they are talking about instead of from people who are just dictating what the rules tell us.

More of the double standard I spoke of in another thread.  You guys are encouraging people to break the rules, yet I am the bad guy for saying we should follow them until Ken decides to change them.  Unbelievable. 

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Yes, the input is appreciated; however, it's really a Ken issue. Convincing other people in this thread won't really do much until the rules are updated for all to see.

Exactly.  The average user doesn't have industry knowledge.  It is hard enough getting people to contribute crew data, especially in the areas where the 'credited as' column is blank, why are we trying to make it even harder by creating 'forum rules'? 
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Yes, and I appreciate it too. It's always nice to read info from people who know what they are talking about instead of from people who are just dictating what the rules tell us.

More of the double standard I spoke of in another thread.  You guys are encouraging people to break the rules, yet I am the bad guy for saying we should follow them until Ken decides to change them.  Unbelievable. 

I didn't say you are a bad guy and I'm not encouraging people to break the rules. I'm only telling them to look beyond them. Not adding entries which are allowed and you know are wrong or adding "direct translations" are not against the rules, only removing them might be. And with an acceptancy rate of almost 100% I know what I'm talking about.
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I didn't say you are a bad guy and I'm not encouraging people to break the rules. I'm only telling them to look beyond them.

To me, that just sounds like a fancy way of saying, "ignore the rules and enter what you think is correct."  I could be misunderstanding what you guys are saying, but I don't think I am. 

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Not adding entries which are allowed and you know are wrong or adding "direct translations" are not against the rules, only removing them might be. And with an acceptancy rate of almost 100% I know what I'm talking about.

If you want to use your acceptance rate to justify breaking the rules, be my guest, but we all know that the screeners are puting a lot of trust in us and, unless it is an obvious error, will let things go through based on our word.

As an example, I had a user remove BVHE from a Disney title claiming that it was nowhere on the cover.  I was the lone 'no' vote.  The screeners let the contribution through even though it was 100% wrong.  So, a near 100% acceptance rate is meaningless when we all know that garbage gets through all the time.
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I'm not breaking the rules, because if I would do that I would not be able to score a near 100% acceptance rate.
Martin Zuidervliet

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I'm not breaking the rules, because if I would do that I would not be able to score a near 100% acceptance rate.

Are you telling me you have never seen a contribtion, that breaks the rules, get accepted? 

I realize I have a small collection, numbering only 1,081 titles, but I have seen it many times.  I, too, have a near 100% acceptance rate and I know, for a fact, that three of those accepted profiles broke the rules.  They were submitted by accident, but it proves that profiles that break the rules do get accepted so, as I said before, a 100% acceptance rate is meaningless. 
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OK lets try getting this back on topic it would seem that Supervising Sound Mixers are not allowed per the rules but the poll would seems to indicate that most people who voted think they should be contributed as Sound Re-recording Mixers, i think all we really need now is for Ken to pop in and make the final decision to either allow them or remove them all
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the poll would seems to indicate that most people who voted think they should be contributed as Sound Re-recording Mixers

Better yet: they don't just THINK it, the users almost unanimously HAVE entered them as such. Just check the CLT results for Steve Maslow and Tateum Kohut: they're literally listed in dozens of the 'Rocky Balboa' profiles (which is the film this thread is about), including several very well-maintained U.S. profiles, by the way. And before anyone asks: none of them was me.    I don't even own this film on DVD. It's a relief to see that the vast majority of the community has no problems whatsoever assigning the credit to the right people. Apparently there is hope for the master database yet. Phew. 
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Further proof that profiles, even those that are against the rules, get approved simply beause the screeners trust the notes.  For the R1 profile that I own, the notes simply said, "Crew - added additional crew (all from the film credits)."

Again, unless it is an obvious error, most profiles...at least those that I have seen...get approved whether they adhere to the rules or not.
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I didn't talk about approving, screeners or notes at all in this thread - I merely expressed my happiness over the fact the users do actually award the credit to the right people. That they subsequently manage to get it into the database as well is an added bonus, I'll grant you that, but first and foremost I'm just happy that so many users perfectly understand who to give the credit to. I never really doubted that, but it's still good to see.
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...it would seem that Supervising Sound Mixers are not allowed per the rules...

It may look that way but if you look at the crew table of the rules you see that a lot of people who are a supervisor of any of the selectable roles are allowed. So why shouldn't a producer, sound mixer, make-up artist or any other role be? After all they aren't "Co-Anything, Assistants, Associates, Interns".
Martin Zuidervliet

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...it would seem that Supervising Sound Mixers are not allowed per the rules...

It may look that way but if you look at the crew table of the rules you see that a lot of people who are a supervisor of any of the selectable roles are allowed. So why shouldn't a producer, sound mixer, make-up artist or any other role be? After all they aren't "Co-Anything, Assistants, Associates, Interns".

Well i put a link in the comments box to this thread so the screener could make a informed decision and the contribution removing them has been approved so i will consider that an official response from Invelos to this, Supervising Sound Mixers are not allowed Per the rules at this time.
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i will consider that an official response from Invelos to this, Supervising Sound Mixers are not allowed Per the rules at this time.

Well, I find myself with Unicus on that one: bad data gets into the database all the time, so I wouldn't go so far as to interpret that as an "official response" -  especially not since (a) these people do really belong there, and (b) judging from the poll results and the data in the database already, it's simply what the users want. If it suddenly is, I can refer to a whole lot of other "official responses" (i.e. strange things that have been accepted, but shouldn't have been)...
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