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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,722 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote:
Come up with a factual reason why, not your inventions. I have explainwed why it is not, explain why it IS. This goes for you as well, Tim. Look: you merely expressed a preference, while the rest of us have pointed to the rules, which specify what is to be excluded from the overview. The paragraph in bentyman's example does not meet those criteria, and so it doesn't have to be left out. So you've got your opinion, we've got the rules. How much more "factual reason" do you need? Look: it's okay to say "I don't like this particular rule". I assume many of us feel that way about one rule or another. There's certainly stuff I choose to keep local only, and that's fine. You don't have to agree with the rules on the subject - just don't force your preference upon the rest of us. But just be honest: just come right out and say it, and don't keep pretending that the rules actually reflect your preference - 'cause they don't. At the very least, it would end this pointless arguing. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: August 23, 2008 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | I would include it. Part of the overview. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote:
Upon what basis, ken. You have not nor has Hal, addressed the points i have raised. It is physically separated from the Overview, it is also in a totally different size and typeface which makes it NOT connected to the overview and therefore not part of it.
Where in the Rules does it state that the entire Overview must be in a single font/style or that it may not have a picture in the middle of it? The paragraph in question describes attributes of the film. It is not a tagline. It is not a review. Therefore it belongs in the Overview, IMHO. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Look, READ what I have said, Tim. I gave a detailed rationale for why it is NOT and therefore violates the Rules. You persist with your veiled insults. Now COME UP WITH AN EQUALLY rational explanation why it is not just your ditto. All you are telling me is that you have NO REASON beyond that you can explain beyond your preference. The closest anyone has come to even trying to explain is north and that was sketchy at best. Not taking a shot at north, he at least tried but it doesn't make sense.
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Quoting Dr Pavlov:
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Upon what basis, ken. You have not nor has Hal, addressed the points i have raised. It is physically separated from the Overview, it is also in a totally different size and typeface which makes it NOT connected to the overview and therefore not part of it.
Where in the Rules does it state that the entire Overview must be in a single font/style or that it may not have a picture in the middle of it?
The paragraph in question describes attributes of the film, It is not a tagline. It is not a review.
Therefore it belongs in the Overview, IMHO. Hal: Overview=Summary/Synopsis. It adds NOTHING to the synopsis or the summary of the film. Just because it is typed on the cover does not make it part of the Overview. Come on, man, give me something I can chew on. The credit block is not disallowed either are we to start including it, it is typed on the back cover as well. Should we include the fine print at the bottom, it is not disallowed. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote:
It adds NOTHING to the synopsis or the summary of the film. This is simply not true! Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote:
The credit block is not disallowed either are we to start including it, it is typed on the back cover as well. Should we include the fine print at the bottom, it is not disallowed. And this is simply a red herring. The paragraph in question is in prose form and provides information about the film. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | That's not useful, Hal. There is nothing in that paragraph that describes the plot of the film. It gives two actors, the director and 2 Oscars. That says NOTHING about the content of the film. Youi have also done nothing to address my other questions. Where do we draw the line, Hal? Based on your interpretation and that of Tim and Little Ken and others, we should be including both the credit block data and the fine print at the bottom of most every cover. In short ANYTHING other than reviewer quotes and taglines, everything else should be included.
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Quoting Dr Pavlov:
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It adds NOTHING to the synopsis or the summary of the film.
This is simply not true!
Quoting Dr Pavlov:
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The credit block is not disallowed either are we to start including it, it is typed on the back cover as well. Should we include the fine print at the bottom, it is not disallowed.
And this is simply a red herring. The paragraph in question is in prose form and provides information about the film. That is a red herring, Hal and a non-answer. Both the credit block and the fine print provide information relevant to the film and the DVD as well. You can't provide an argument, all you can do is provide an opinion which can't be supported, and when I present an argument you turn to insultsing remarks. I am waiting for a legitimate argument i can discuss cogently that is backed up. Opinions mean nothing they are like unfriendly persons we all have them, I have presented an argument and all I get in return is unsupported opinion. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,722 |
| | Posted: | | | | Let me offer a rough summary of this thread: Quoting bentyman: Quote:
3:10 to Yuma has this backcover:
Do we add the text above the pictures as well? Or just from the bold under the pictures? Quoting snarbo: Quote:
the Rules stipulate:-
Never include the following items in overviews:
Taglines
Reviews (unless they are incorporated into the text of the overview on the case)
Extra features
Hyperlinks or other HTML
Line-break hyphens Quoting northbloke: Quote:
I would include it. Quoting Forget_the_Rest: Quote:
I agree with those saying they would include it. Quoting T!M: Quote:
I'd include it Quoting hal9g: Quote:
I would include it. Quoting hydr0x: Quote:
It, of course, has to be included per the rules. Quoting Berak: Quote:
It is not a tagline, and not a review, so according to the rules it should be entered as part of the Overview. Quoting DarklyNoon: Quote:
I would also include it, this is not a tagline and fits in with the overview Quoting kdh1949: Quote:
I agree that the paragraph above the pictures should be included in the overview. Quoting Alien Redrum: Quote:
I would include it. Part of the overview. And last but not least, quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote:
but it doesn't make sense.  Look: it doesn't HAVE to make sense to you. If you don't like it, lock your overview and don't bother with it ever again. It really is that simple. It's just that there's nothing in the rules that even so much as hints that it might have to be excluded. Frankly I'm baffled that we're up to page three on this: the rules are clear, and they're understood by the vast majority of the posters. Shouldn't we save our strength for the next Chinese names thread or something like that? |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | No, Tim, it's not enough. You have expressed your opinion and NOTHING more. You have opened up a can of worms, where is the line to drawn. All you have been able to do is level insulting and inflammatory remarks without doing anything more than stating your unsupported opinion. I want an answer, IF you can do so without further degrading this thread.
My supported argument goes unchallenged beyond opinion. If you can't do better than that...I win. If you can create a rational argument AND now explain where and how we draw the line since you have opened a can of worms with your unsupported opinion, I am perfectly happy to entertain it. But i am not inrterested in ANY unsupported opinion, not on this topic nor any other, which is why we usually have these kind of ridiculous discussions. I state an opinion, I back it up and the best you can do is repeat your unsupported opinion (which is insulting in and of itself), make insulting and inflammatory and then pour gasoline on the fire with the rep system because you CAN'T answer my argument with a counter argument.
I am waiting to have an intelligent discussion, just one time.
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Billy Video |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,722 |
| | Posted: | | | | It's the RULES, Skip - it's that simple. And don't you talk to me about the reputation system - you've given me red arrows for just about every post I made in this thread, and for what? Apparently just for disagreeing with you... |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote:
Where do we draw the line, Hal? Based on your interpretation and that of Tim and Little Ken and others, we should be including both the credit block data and the fine print at the bottom of most every cover. Please tell us, Skip, when was the last time you saw a contribution where someone was attempting to add the credit block or the fine print at the bottom of the cover? Like I said, this is nothing but a red herring. It seems abundantly clear that most, if not all (except you), people seem to be able to make the distinction quite easily. | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Again with the inflammatory comment, hal. You are wrong, I am simply following the logic of your unsupported opinion. If the only parameter is No review, no taglines, and separation from the synopsis both physically and by typeface and type size are not relevant in your opinion, then that means that everything on the back cover is Overview. You have stated that the data in this case is relevant to the film, the credit block and the fine print are both relevant to the film as well. I didn't open this can of worms you and others did. So...stop with inflammatory comments and deal with me on this, hal. If you pulled this on me in person, my friend I would probably put your lights out. You aren't giving me ANYTHING to deal with. All you can do is make insulting remarks.
Tim, inone of my rare cases I have given tyou some red arrows, you have been insulting and i have told you so, yet you persist in being insulting and i tell you that every time you are. You don't like people who disagree with you, i guess.
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: July 31, 2008 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | The way pretty much everyone sees it is that there's nothing for us to back up as we have the rules on our side!! You keep on mentioning the different font but (as I've already said) there is nothing in the rules to say that it all has to be the same. Also as I've already said, the bit above the picture is the same font other than italics as the line that starts "Arizona i Amerika". |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | And that is not part of the Overview either. That is actually very close to a tagline.
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote:
And that is not part of the Overview either. That is actually very close to a tagline.  "Arizona in America, at the end of the 1800s..." Wow! Those Norwegian copywriters really know how to write taglines! Seriously, why are you guys even bothering to argue with the troll?  |
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