Quoting Dan W:

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Perhaps English isn't your primary language. Reread my post. Everything you need is there.

I know you are American so I know English isn't your primary language so I'll try to make it easy..

A single profile (with the sound not in English - or even American) would be classed as Foreign language if viewed by an American and not (classed as Foreign Language) if viewed by the person who lived in that country.

How can something be usable if its use depends on where the viewer lives?

You will note Tim, that the link for Keywords and Genbre takes you to SAME place as I already noted and commeted oin relative to being poor design.

The whole Foreign Langiage issue comes from the FACT that there are far too many users who don't understand presonal preference which is where I would put Foreign Language into, IF i were to include it, for the reasons noted. BY Acadaemy standards which Dan cited a French film is a foreign language. But to a Frenchmana US film is a Foreign film, thus making it data that while it might be useful at a user level only results in confusion and combat at the Contribution level.

Skip

Quite correct, Fred. But that (1) completelyh misses the point that i was making, though i am not surprised at that and (2) is off the TOPIC that I was dealing with in terms of the LINKS from the film listings themselves. IF that was where the listing link took you too, it would be a relevant comment, buit it is not.

Learn to pay attention to the point that is being dealt with. Instead of playing games. It is the persistent game-playing that turns these threads into ridiculous.

Skip

If you don't mind me clarifying... I know what Skip is saying...

Go to a title on that site... say...

I go to Masters of Horror (since I am doing a marathon right now)...

it has:

Genre: Horror | Mystery | Romance more

also has...

Keywords:  Male Female Relationship  | Profanity  | Nudity  | Death  | Female Nudity more

If you click on more on either of these whether genre or keywords... it takes you to the keywords page. which can lead people to believe they consider genres and keywords to basically be the same thing.

Quoting FredLooks:

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Quoting skipnet50:

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You will note Tim, that the link for Keywords and Genbre takes you to SAME place as I already noted and commeted oin relative to being poor design.

The two links that T!M gave go to different pages, containing different content, when I click on them ... perhaps I'm missing something ...

You are missing something.  What T!M gave you was a page that lists genres.  Skip is talking about a link from a movie profile.  Why Skip is being 'cloak and dagger' about what site this is I don't know, but I will help you out.

Go to IMDb and pull up the page for 'National Treasure'.

You will see a line that reads: Genre:  Action | Adventure | Comedy | Drama | Mystery | Thriller more

When you follow the link associated with 'more', it does not take you to more genres.  It takes you to a page titled ""Plot keywords for National Treasure."

I am not sure what point Skip is trying to make using the keywords as his example.  While the link is misleading, it is clear...at least to me...that those are not genres.  It it simply a design flaw.

Hope that helps clear it up for you Fred.

EDIT:  I see Pete is the faster typer.  You wouldn't think so with those 'wolfman' fingers. 

Oh good lord, Unicus. First let me state  that i had nothing to do with the design at IMDb, I followed the link, Keyword or genre it still is basically a pretty good example at just how ridiculous the Genre concept  can get, EVERYBODY has their own idea of what Constitutes a genre. For example: I listed what i would conisedr the PRIMARY genre, this is based on several different concepts including my own experience. So, somebody immediately says...what about Action/Adventure? That is not a Primary genre, it is a sub-genre.

How much cleare can i possibly make it? When I say

"I understand where you are coming from, Dan, but I think some form Genre data is valuable to the Online. As to private Genre, as you know we can list as many Genre as we wish within the Tag system, they are fully searchable and hierarchial, so it seems to me that this fills bill quite nicely...capturing the best of both worlds if you will.


Skip


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But you can do that through Tags, Erik. You can break up and define Genre in any form you wish to to there. Reason being that there is never going to be an answer that that will satisfy EVERY user, we could add Genre and then add more Genre, and more and more because users will come up with an infinite number. And we will eventually have an unmanageable list. In this regard Dan was correct with his request. Not to mention that Genre is totally subjective and what you think might be appropriate will NOT be shared by ALL, which is why the Rule was written as it was. Try having a look at the unbelievable Genre listings at a certain other site, they will list Genre such as Pennsylvania, ROFLMAO. Just pick any movie and click on more under their Genre and knock yourself out.<shivers>

Skip

It's pretty clear to me what point is being made relative to all the various requests for this genre or that  Genre or some other Genre.

Unfortunately, some users either have their own agenda or theyt REALLY don't get the point...I don't know which it is and no that is not you, unicus.

@ Fred

I am very clear and precise, I don't feel the need to repeat and repeat and repeat some more.I also give users credit for some level of intelligence and comprehension, I do not wish to talk down to anyone, or like they were four years old or otherwise be patronizing. You chimed in apparently without reading. In the answer to which youy refer or to Mathias' I specifically stated that they were missing the POINT. Well golly, it would seem to me that if they are missing the point, then maybe I (Fred) should go see what the point is. If you then don't understand the point, simply say so and i will be happy to try again, but the stupid game-playing engaged in by some users are too involved in their own agendas to try and apply basic comprehension skills, which leads to off-topic discussins, frustration and even annoyance and anger.

A good case in point of similar nature is the Countries(COO) and Languages. Nobody wants to use OTHER for Languages, they want Martian to be listed even though there may be only one film done in Martian, or one user who cares. It leads to a huge list which is unmanageable, I believe there is about 190 some odd countries on the planet righht now, this does not include former names such as Soviet Union, Burma, Siam, etc, etc, etc. Some countries seem to change names with every change in leadership. The SAME kind of silliness, IMHO, can result in a massive Genre list (assuming one has monitored ALL the various requests) which would be nightmarish. This is one reason why you will seldom see me weigh in with a specific Genre, I simply use the Tag system to develop my OWN genre listings, and as I noted the ONLY bad part from my POV is that I cannot filter on BOTH the Contributable genre and MY Genre.

It seems that everyone even really missed the point of Dan's Original post. I understood exactly what he was saying AND why and I provided my answer to his ORIGINAL post except for his Foreign Language request. Dan is absolutely correct, with the exception that I do not believe that genre should be TOTALLY private. There should be a minimal list for Contribution purposes and the rest becomes private.

Skip

I can see a problem with only have ONE genre available online.

For example....where would you put "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" (the show) in this list?

I couldn't pick just one that adequately describes the show....

Quoting skipnet50:

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Learn to pay attention to the point that is being dealt with. Instead of playing games. It is the persistent game-playing that turns these threads into ridiculous.

So if you copy a list of keywords from a page that

- has the URL: http://www.imdb.com/title/ttxxxxxxx/keywords
- has the title: <moviename> - Plot keywords
- has a big heading of: Plot keywords for <moviename>

and call it a list of genres, those that point out your mistake are playing games? I don't think so. And the further clarification you provide for your post, combined with the usual personal attacks directed at me, T!M and FredLooks, seems to indicate that you are the one playing a game here by spreading deliberate misinformation. If you still wonder why, despite your enourmous post count,  this community doesn't view your posts as "helpful or useful messages", just re-read your last few posts in this thread.


Quoting Unicus69:

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You will see a line that reads: Genre:  Action | Adventure | Comedy | Drama | Mystery | Thriller more

When you follow the link associated with 'more', it does not take you to more genres.  It takes you to a page titled ""Plot keywords for National Treasure."

I am not sure what point Skip is trying to make using the keywords as his example.  While the link is misleading, it is clear...at least to me...that those are not genres.  It it simply a design flaw.

Unlike keywords, genres are always completely listed before the "more" link. As I already said, each listed genre is also a link itself, allowing for further browsing and searching by that genre. The "more" link leads to the keyword list, because keywords provide an additional way of indexing movies, without the restrictions placed upon genres. That makes perfect sense to me in terms of design and usability.