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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Man, go to work for the day and you miss all the excitement! The next time somebody thinks about delivering a threat, they should probably determine first whether their communication system guarantees their anonymity. What a maroon!  |
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| Registered: March 17, 2007 | | Posts: 853 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Darxon: Quote:
Thanks for chiming in so quickly, Ken.
While I agree with you that the threat is insubstantial because of your assertion you (meaning Gerri and yourself) will catch such abusive behavior easily, I don't think this is the main source of concern here. At least not for me, and hopefully for some others as well.
Like I said before, the reputation system and/or my reputation displayed next to my posts don't concern me too much (to a degree, yes, but it's nothing I actually spend time worrying about). However, the display of character surfacing by such actions is a completely different cup of tea, and THAT is what brought us the PM blocking feature and the reputation system in the first place: the desire to effectively stop certain types of intolerable actions taken by forum members towards others. THAT is what we've been trying to improve over the past months because we had reached a level of communication that was simply unbearable.
Well, if these features start to show certain people's ugliest side, all the better: now you know who they are and can take the appropriate actions. But take action you should, and make it publicly known as well. Otherwise, all the efforts to better the code of conduct between the community members might appear as hollow words with nothing and noone behind them to back them up when challenged. To start Darxon, please accept a green arrow from me for your post. I was away yesterday as I was under the weather. I am very sorry to see that the forums have come to this. We have seen this in the past with people giving out negatives for opposing views and I am afraid to say we will see it in the future. I am very happy and proud to be part of this group right now as we appear to be standing up for for what we believe is correct. Truth, justice and the collecting of a huge DVD collection. Kudos to all. Keep up the good work.  | | | | Last edited: by Lord Of The Sith |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | The only appropriate response to such threat is to ban the bully from Profiler - No access at all for a certain period of time. I'd cancel his account in a New York minute, as they say. (Though I don't know the derivation of the "New York minute" phrase - and don't mean to insult anyone by using it.) | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | This entire thread is something that is right with this forum. Even the disagreements are thoughtful and reasonable and understandable. Bravo all.  | | | If it wasn't for bad taste, I wouldn't have no taste at all.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,436 |
| | Posted: | | | | Wow, a lot of things ca happen in a few hours... (as mdnitoil already pointed out).
Glad to see that Ken is already involved and things are sorte out in that short time as well. | | | Achim [諾亞信； Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan.
Registered: May 29, 2000 (at InterVocative) |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 5,917 |
| | Posted: | | | | It amazes me that someone actually had the audacity to try to blackmail someone using a threat that has no weight behind it. It's laughable, really. I would have spewed my drink on my monitor if I had gotten that. I feel sorry for whomever sent it. Check that, I pity them. We should turn this thread into a FAIL cat macro thread, see it runs as many pages as the LOLCat one.  |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 17,804 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rico: Quote:
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An improvement to the stars system would be allow only good stars to be given by all. Select 5 or 6 individuals to give out bad stars. Oh! Jeez this is sounding too much like moderation...
Take Care
Rico Partially I agree, Rico! I think we should leave out the bad stars completely. Using only good stars would disarm such kind of snipers. But well, if you all feel we need the red ones, I have a proposal: The ability of using the red ones should more depend on the reputation of the referring voter. If someone has no positives he should not be able to give negatives. E.g.: Someone who has 10 green points should be enabled to give one red point a day for negative voting. Relation green/red may be subject to discussion! Advantage: sniping without a good rating would be impossible Disadvantage: No idea at the moment! Maybe someone out there? | | | | Thorsten | | | | Last edited: by kahless |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 2,692 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rico: Quote:
Hi Guys,
I don't understand the outrage here, when you give everyone power, you can expect a small percent to use it inappropriately. The star system, more precisely negative stars, insures abusive behavior.
An improvement to the stars system would be allow only good stars to be given by all. Select 5 or 6 individuals to give out bad stars. Oh! Jeez this is sounding too much like moderation...
Take Care
Rico I hope you don't take this the wrong way - but can I refer you to the many posts which have already explained that Ken tried going with Moderators - and for wahetever reason couldn't then proceed with these. What we have to work with is the stars system. And we should try and concentrate on how that is used. Ken said at the beginning that this would (could) be an evolving system. | | | | Paul |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,715 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting kahless: Quote:
But well, if you all feel we need the red ones, ... Yes, I think we need the red ones, since they are the difference between the bad guys and the guys, who don't post frequently - like myself... Quote:
... I have a proposal:
The ability of using the red ones should more depend on the reputation of the referring voter. If someone has no positives he should not be able to give negatives.
E.g.: Someone who has 10 green points should be enabled to give one red point a day for negative voting. Relation green/red may be subject to discussion!
Advantage: sniping without a good rating would be impossible
Disadvantage: No idea at the moment! Maybe someone out there? Yes that sound quite reasonable for me... maybe persons with earned stars shouldn't be limited in any way... Regards, AA | | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting AiAustria: Quote:
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... I have a proposal:
The ability of using the red ones should more depend on the reputation of the referring voter. If someone has no positives he should not be able to give negatives.
E.g.: Someone who has 10 green points should be enabled to give one red point a day for negative voting. Relation green/red may be subject to discussion!
Advantage: sniping without a good rating would be impossible
Disadvantage: No idea at the moment! Maybe someone out there?
Yes that sound quite reasonable for me... maybe persons with earned stars shouldn't be limited in any way...
Regards, AA Would this have had any impact on the current problem which started this thread? If the threatening user has a positive reputation, then this idea would not have made a difference. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Though I decided not to intervene anymore on those forums, I feel so much concerned by this thread that I cannot help giving my opinion. People here are considering negative notes as an unbelievable offense, but most of them said nothing when one user compared another one with people who where, in the past, directly involved in the murder of friends of his own parents. If that could have been forgiven if the user who sent the insult didn't really mean what he said and apologized, but he refused to do that and added that it was precisely what he meant (I would like to know how an American who lost a love in the twin towers would take an insult such as "Al Qaida terrorist"...). I think that those who are disgusted by such an attitude may easily feel offended when they see posters sending flowers to this nasty man (somebody said kissing his ass...). It is very easy to lapidate the user that send the PM to Goblinsdoitall, but I fully understand his/her feelings. Peace will not come on those forums with this kind of public lynching, but only when Invelos will take his responsabilities and ban the user who really abused forum rules (see what the rules say about bannable offences and hateful content...), instead of protecting him. Bullying newbies, screaming his opinion, sending insults and blatant lies are the main content of thousands of his useless posts. PS. I'm not sure that everybody will guess whom I speak of, but I do not want to name him. Anyway, it is not impossible that he might recognize himself  ... | | | | Images from movies |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 811 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting goblinsdoitall: Quote:
Hi everybody,
by this post I'm probably kissing my "High Rating" goodbye.
I got contacted via PM by another user threatening me with "Negative Votes" if I should defend the positions of user "XY" again. Since this threat wouldn't really be one if it was only one user I assume (and this means I really do not know) that he/she is speaking for a group of users, or has more than one account.
I choose to answer publicly:
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I am and will be neutral to the main-opponents, speaking up for good postings no matter from which side and brandishing bad postings, no matter from which side.
But if I'am forced by one of these sides to pick one, be assured I'll pick my side and giving the "forcing side" the hardest time I can.
I will neither tolerate nor ignore this threat!
So if the first undeserved negative vote comes in, I will send this PM's to Ken and in the same step publish your name in the forum.
You don't need to edit the PM's anymore, I've hardcopied them.
I think I just broke "Omerta" and it comes as a relief.
Is anybody out there to whom this happened too, or am I singularity?
If you don't want to answer in public send me a PM
PS: Thanks to Thorsten for telling me to make it public Immediately notify the Administrator and forward any and all threatening posts. Ken has zero tolerance for this kind of c |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 811 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting kdh1949: Quote:
The only appropriate response to such threat is to ban the bully from Profiler - No access at all for a certain period of time. I'd cancel his account in a New York minute, as they say. (Though I don't know the derivation of the "New York minute" phrase - and don't mean to insult anyone by using it.) Agree 100% |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,804 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
Quoting AiAustria:
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... I have a proposal:
The ability of using the red ones should more depend on the reputation of the referring voter. If someone has no positives he should not be able to give negatives.
E.g.: Someone who has 10 green points should be enabled to give one red point a day for negative voting. Relation green/red may be subject to discussion!
Advantage: sniping without a good rating would be impossible
Disadvantage: No idea at the moment! Maybe someone out there?
Yes that sound quite reasonable for me... maybe persons with earned stars shouldn't be limited in any way...
Regards, AA
Would this have had any impact on the current problem which started this thread? If the threatening user has a positive reputation, then this idea would not have made a difference. I'm not really sure if a user with a positive reputation would do that... BTW: the referring user does NOT have a positive reputation! | | | | Thorsten |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
People here are considering negative notes as an unbelievable offense, but most of them said nothing when one user compared another one with people who where, in the past, directly involved in the murder of friends of his own parents. That's a bit unfair Surfeur, plenty of people came to your defence when that happened, and it was propbably that thread which was instrumental in the reputation system being introduced. And should that person ever make comments similar to what they did then, then apology or not, I'm sure there'll be plenty of red arrows. In this particular situation, a user has been threatened with red arrows regardless of the content of his posts simply because he agrees with someone the blackmailer doesn't like. That is an outright abuse of the system irrespective of who the people involved are. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,804 |
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It is very easy to lapidate the user that send the PM to Goblinsdoitall, but I fully understand his/her feelings. No, sorry surfeur51. Blackmail and misusage of the reputation system is not acceptable! No excuse for this! Never ever! Please, please reconsider your point of view. Goblinsdoitall was never involved in the battle against skipnet50. He is the wrong target! He never abused anybody or offended any other users. Please accept the mistake of this user! Edit: surfeur51: We know this user threatening others with red arrows, so I think he is the only one who can clarify this matter! Otherwise we have to deal with hearsay and speculation! Good time to clear the air!  | | | | Thorsten | | | | Last edited: by kahless |
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