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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
Yes, to clarify, NR will remain age "1". Too bad for parental control restrictions in the program. But then, I don't use parental control. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Pete:
In all honesty, while i understand what you are saying, I don't think you find this to be any sortn positive improvement...time will tell. Barney=Dora=Captain Kangaroo=Pitch Black=Death Race 2 conceivably, that doesn't sound informative to me. But i will keep my fingers crossed
Skip Is it an answer that will fix it 100% no! but as I said before I think it is a step in the right direction. It will fix the ones that are marked as Unrated getting them away from those such as Dora and the rest. Plus it gives us the ability to filter on our actual Unrated Discs... that is another plus for me. Ken mentioned he is considering a program update as well to fix the rest of the problem locally. That will fix it the rest of the way. So yes I think this is a good and logical first step in fixing the problem. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,749 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree with Pete, this is a step in the right direction. NR covers everybody from 1 to 100 and Unrated at least throws up the flag to make sure you check it out before letting younger audiences view the film in question. We are after all human and can determine what is appropriate.  | | | | Marty - Registered July 10, 2004, User since 2002. |
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| Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,945 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mreeder50: Quote:
I agree with Pete, this is a step in the right direction. NR covers everybody from 1 to 100 and Unrated at least throws up the flag to make sure you check it out before letting younger audiences view the film in question. We are after all human and can determine what is appropriate. On the other hand, Death Race 2 will no longer be together (rating wise) with Doomsday (DR 2 will be NR and Doomsday will be Unrated) , that is a direction I do not like, I think we are only shifting things from one place to another without getting much improvement. Donnie | | | | www.tvmaze.com | | | | Last edited: by DarklyNoon |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | In my eyes at least.... they shouldn't be... as I see NR and Unrated as two separate ratings. So they shouldn't be together. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | What are you talking about Donnie? The Majority wants Unrated... and we are getting unrated.
Poll Results right now...
Rated Version (21)
Unrated Version (55)
Other (Please Explain) (3) | | | | Pete | | | | Last edited: by Addicted2DVD |
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| Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,945 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
In my eyes at least.... they shouldn't be... as I see NR and Unrated as two separate ratings. So they shouldn't be together. Well, but those two films are at the same level of Violence and Gore, whereras Dora and DR 2, which will be happily togetehr as NR, have nothing in common. The more I think about that the more I think it is an epic fail  Donnie | | | | www.tvmaze.com |
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| Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,945 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
What are you talking about Donnie? The Majority wants Unrated... and we are getting unrated.
Poll Results right now...
Rated Version (21)
Unrated Version (55)
Other (Please Explain) (3) Well, the poll wasnt about adding UNrated as an option in profiler, it was about how things like Doomsday: Unrated are handled. If we add the rated or the unrated version. Donnie | | | | www.tvmaze.com | | | | Last edited: by DarklyNoon |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Yes... it was Ken's idea to make the rating. But that don't mean it wasn't what the majority wanted. And that reply was to you saying you looked at the poll and we were going with the minority. So when I posted that... I thought that (the poll) is what you were talking about. Since then you removed that part of your post though.
As I said... I believe this is a good first step. And I still do. It isn't like I think this fixes everything. But it is definitely a step in the right direction and is something I do feel we needed in profiler. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I understand where Donnie is coming from and tend to agree, but i have my fingers crossed. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: August 23, 2008 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
I'm inclined at the moment to add an Unrated rating, for use when the DVD is marked on the cover as Unrated, via "Unrated", "Director's Unrated Cut", or similar. That would seem to cover the large majority of the titles in question while keeping the rule as straightforward as possible.
To be realistic, there is no policy that we can settle on that fits every user's preferences for how these titles are handled. I think the above will fit the largest majority of the users for the most common DVDs. Pleasepleasepleaseplease. Not Rated and Unrated are two different things which people (myself included) have posted in this thread. Adding the Unrated will give more accuracy to the database as far as Unrated vs. Not Rated films. Pleasepleasepleaseplease.  | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. | | | | Last edited: by Alien Redrum |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DarklyNoon: Quote:
but a megaviolent direct to video release which is not rated will get the same rating as Dóra. I see where you're coming from, but that's a limitation of the American rating system, not Profiler. In America ratings are optional. Therefore a mega-violent release does not need to be rated, and so gets NR, but so does Dora which is innocuous enough not to need a rating. At the very least, the new "Unrated" rating can be added to the mega-violent releases locally by those who want to. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | You are correct,north. But now i have to ask you about the data. I follow data not imagination. This comment of yours makes me wonder
"At the very least, the new "Unrated" rating can be added to the mega-violent releases locally by those who want to."
What if Death Race 2 comes out simply with Not Rated, you can't make it Unrated, that would not be consistent with the data. I see referring to locally but I though this was about what was going to contributed and how. You have me a little puzzeld, amigo.<scratching head> | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
Quoting DarklyNoon:
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but a megaviolent direct to video release which is not rated will get the same rating as Dóra.
I see where you're coming from, but that's a limitation of the American rating system, not Profiler.
In America ratings are optional. Therefore a mega-violent release does not need to be rated, and so gets NR, but so does Dora which is innocuous enough not to need a rating.
At the very least, the new "Unrated" rating can be added to the mega-violent releases locally by those who want to. What should be done with titles which are not rated but deal with "more mature themes" and may include "some profanity and some depictions of violence or brief nudity". If rated those would get a PG-13. But they are definitely not recommended for age 1 and also not mega-violent. NR (as defined by Invelos) and Unrated (as defined by Invelos) would both be wrong. My conclusion: In order to be safe for parental control the default age for non rated films has to be the highest with the option to be overridden locally. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'll buy that, Rho. In fact I like it a lot.
BUT I gather Ken has decided. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
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| Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,945 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
Quoting northbloke:
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Quoting DarklyNoon:
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but a megaviolent direct to video release which is not rated will get the same rating as Dóra.
I see where you're coming from, but that's a limitation of the American rating system, not Profiler.
In America ratings are optional. Therefore a mega-violent release does not need to be rated, and so gets NR, but so does Dora which is innocuous enough not to need a rating.
At the very least, the new "Unrated" rating can be added to the mega-violent releases locally by those who want to.
What should be done with titles which are not rated but deal with "more mature themes" and may include "some profanity and some depictions of violence or brief nudity". If rated those would get a PG-13. But they are definitely not recommended for age 1 and also not mega-violent. NR (as defined by Invelos) and Unrated (as defined by Invelos) would both be wrong.
My conclusion: In order to be safe for parental control the default age for non rated films has to be the highest with the option to be overridden locally. agreed! | | | | www.tvmaze.com |
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