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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 670 |
| | Posted: | | | | I've always had the understanding that if it is a "stand-alone" cover, such as a keep case, then the "outer shell" is a Slip Cover (because without the slip-cover, you could still consider the packaging "complete" - you cannot see that there was supposed to be a slip cover).
In your picture, it isnt (as you would never consider the inner packing complete without the slip-part - it is very clear that something is missing), so that would be a Slip Case.
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,678 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rander: Quote:
I've always had the understanding that if it is a "stand-alone" cover, such as a keep case, then the "outer shell" is a Slip Cover (because without the slip-cover, you could still consider the packaging "complete" - you cannot see that there was supposed to be a slip cover).
In your picture, it isnt (as you would never consider the inner packing complete without the slip-part - it is very clear that something is missing), so that would be a Slip Case.
Hope it makes sense..? That's exactly how I have understood the difference. Thanks for describing it so well. But I guess there are a number of different opinions on what a slip cover is. I suppose I shall have to live with Ken's old definition, even though I strongly disagree with it. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
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| Registered: October 22, 2015 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 275 |
| | Posted: | | | | I thought Ken Cole's definitions were covering outer SLIP types for box sets, in which case, they are straight-forward and simple to implement and eliminate the need to discuss/interpret the physical construction and extraction methods of the outer slip enclosure.
Put simply:
- the outer slip enclosure for a box set is a SLIP COVER if there is only one inner enclosure type.
- the outer slip enclosure for a box set is a SLIP CASE if there are two or more inner enclosure types.
But the original question posed by GSyren was for a non-box set profile that contained a single digipak with an outer enclosure whose slip type (Cover or Case) was being debated.
Some people view the physical attributes of the outer slip enclosure as the determining factor for selecting slip case, whereas Ken Cole's definitions are physically neutral, it doesn't matter whether it is cardboard, paper, has one opening or two, slides over the top/bottom or slides side-to-side or into.
For me, Ken Cole's definition for a SLIP COVER is equally consistent for non-box set scenarios as well. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,678 |
| | Posted: | | | | I think that Ken's definition has been made clear by now.
If one were to take a poll among the general population as to what constitues a Slip Case I'm sure one would get a variery of answers. I wonder how many would agree with Ken.
Of course, in DVD Profiler contributions, Ken's definition should rule. But it is a problem when that definition doesn't appear in the rules. You can't expect users to find a 12 year old forum post.
BTW, the Eurocrime profile is a boxset. Not that it makes any difference. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ObiKen: Quote:
Some people view the physical attributes of the outer slip enclosure as the determining factor for selecting slip case, whereas Ken Cole's definitions are physically neutral, it doesn't matter whether it is cardboard, paper, has one opening or two, slides over the top/bottom or slides side-to-side or into.
True, I view the case type as a physical thing. I'm not sure that picking definitions with no connection to the real world is very helpful. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,678 |
| | Posted: | | | | This one is interesting:  Digipak and Book in a case. Does that make it a Slip Case or a Slipcover by the rules? If you say Slip Case, what if it had been a Keep Case and a booklet (outside of the keep case)? Would it matter if the booklet was inside the keep case? Definition by content is - in my opinion - a slippery slope. Here the contributor made it easy (and wrong) by just calling it Digipak. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,639 |
| | Posted: | | | | No need to reinvent definitions.
slipcase
: a protective container for books or magazines that has one open end
: a close-fitting case open at one side or end for an object such as a book
A slipcover (or o-sleeve) is a close fitting protective sleeve for objects that has two openings on opposite ends. | | | | Last edited: by rdodolak |
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,550 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting rdodolak: Quote:
No need to reinvent definitions.
slipcase
: a protective container for books or magazines that has one open end
: a close-fitting case open at one side or end for an object such as a book
A slipcover (or o-sleeve) is a close fitting protective sleeve for objects that has two openings on opposite ends. I disagree. I always took the difference as a slip case holds two or more items inside and a slip cover only one. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,678 |
| | Posted: | | | | Which just goes to show that having an undocumented rule that goes against dictionary definition may not be a good idea if you want a consistent database.  | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,550 |
| | Posted: | | | | But as far as this site, that's what Ken determined, so that's what I'm going with. I could probably go through the current rules as written and find things that go against dictionary definitions.  |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,678 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting The Movieman: Quote:
But as far as this site, that's what Ken determined, so that's what I'm going with. I could probably go through the current rules as written and find things that go against dictionary definitions. And I have no problem with this as long as it is in the rules. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
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