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Registered: September 18, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,650 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: So this comes down to two simple questions...are these people actors and are they credited. I don't have this movie so can't answer those questions but, based on the information provided, it would seem the answers would be yes. Yes and yes although having watched the movie today I would use the term "actors" very loosely for some of the supporting cast. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting samuelrichardscott: Quote: Yes and yes although having watched the movie today I would use the term "actors" very loosely for some of the supporting cast. That made me Thanks. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Martian Based on what is provided, the user says that these added actors are outside the cast list and thrown into crew. How do you determine that they are cast. I can't, we are rationalizing an answer to reach a desired result, butbit certainly is not logical has no basis and no merit. Just a bogus argument based on a desire otherwise known as an emotion. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,475 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote: Now come on, Kathy, you are stretching for that one. Like I said if what you say is correct anyone listed after cast is cast, accountants, caterer, gaffers and all other data. The rules are clear - I have quoted the relevant section. Can you please quote the exact section in the rules to back up your statements? Unless you can show where the rules prohibit this data there is nothing further to discuss. Edit: Another example of this type of data being allowed are Puppeteers. They often are listed after Crew and are valid Cast credits. | | | Last edited: by Kathy |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote: Martian Based on what is provided, the user says that these added actors are outside the cast list and thrown into crew. How do you determine that they are cast. I can't, we are rationalizing an answer to reach a desired result, butbit certainly is not logical has no basis and no merit. Just a bogus argument based on a desire otherwise known as an emotion. Seriously? They are assigned a role...the role they played in the film. That makes them credited actors. Per our rules, we enter all credited actors regardless of where they are listed. The only way your argument makes sense, at least to me, is if you, somehow, believe that 'Basketball Players' or 'Hawks Player' or 'Dutchmen Player' is a crew credit. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | At this point, what the movie is is not really relevant. I think the gaffers appeared, along eithe key grips. Somebody please make some sense and give me something I can really sink my teeth into, instead of nonsense. Btw double uncredited have to be documented, you can't just throw them in there. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,004 |
| Posted: | | | | Can someone help? I'm profiling Little Shop of Horrors, but there is no cast section. There's a section called players, but Levi Stubbs comes before that. So do I list list no one in the cast or everyone except Levi Stubbs? |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,272 |
| Posted: | | | | I said there had to be verification. HAHAHAHAHAH Skip... wow.... They are basketball scenes, of people playing basketball. What is there not to get? Where in the rules does it say not to add them. Please post that portion of the rules. (Not holding my breath as it won't happen) | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707 Speakers: Paradigm Monitor 7 v6, CC-190 & Atom Monitors Subwoofer: Definitive Technology ProSub 800 BD/DVD: Oppo BDP-93 (Region Free) HD PVR: Motorola DXC3400 500GB w/ 1TB Expander BD/DVD/Game: 250GB PS3 Slim DVD/Game: 250GB XBox 360 Elite Special Edition (Black) Game: Wii Remote: Logitech Harmony One w/ PS3 Adapter WHS: Acer H341 Windows Home Server |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,272 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote: Can someone help? I'm profiling Little Shop of Horrors, but there is no cast section. There's a section called players, but Levi Stubbs comes before that. So do I list list no one in the cast or everyone except Levi Stubbs? | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707 Speakers: Paradigm Monitor 7 v6, CC-190 & Atom Monitors Subwoofer: Definitive Technology ProSub 800 BD/DVD: Oppo BDP-93 (Region Free) HD PVR: Motorola DXC3400 500GB w/ 1TB Expander BD/DVD/Game: 250GB PS3 Slim DVD/Game: 250GB XBox 360 Elite Special Edition (Black) Game: Wii Remote: Logitech Harmony One w/ PS3 Adapter WHS: Acer H341 Windows Home Server |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: Quoting Winston Smith:
Quote: Martian Based on what is provided, the user says that these added actors are outside the cast list and thrown into crew. How do you determine that they are cast. I can't, we are rationalizing an answer to reach a desired result, butbit certainly is not logical has no basis and no merit. Just a bogus argument based on a desire otherwise known as an emotion. Seriously?
Ty are assigned a role...the role they played in the film. That makes them credited actors. Per our rules, we enter all credited actors regardless of where they are listed. The only way your argument makes sense, at least to me, is if you, somehow, believe that 'Basketball Players' or 'Hawks Player' or 'Dutchmen Player' is a crew credit. Yes seriously. Kathy like I said you are stretching that rule way beyond its intended meaning. That should be obvious without me having to say a word. And don't pull the your opinion is no more than mine, because that is bunk. You had no involvement in the rules at any stage. So all you can do is guess and stretch, which you are doing grandly. Please I don't waznt to fight but no one is giving anything valid. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,004 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote: At this point, what the movie is is not really relevant. I think the gaffers appeared, along eithe key grips. Somebody please make some sense and give me something I can really sink my teeth into, instead of nonsense. Btw double uncredited have to be documented, you can't just throw them in there. The gaffer places lighting on rigs and a key grip leads the crews that place these rigs. They only end up in the movie in the case of accidents and the occasional fourth-wall-breaker like Tropic Thunder. Dancers and basketball-players are hired specifically to be in the movie. | | | Last edited: by Ace_of_Sevens |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote: instead of nonsense. Calling other people's opinions 'nonense' is no way to have a constructive discussion so, at this point, I am done with it. As far as I am concerned, the answer has been given and is in complete compliance with the rules. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,475 |
| Posted: | | | | Skip. You made some points in the Orion thread that can be applied to this one: Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
As explained whether you believe or not the rule is obvious and clear...
Period, not hard to understand at all. Now you can take issue with that as you wish, but that will not change anything today. The rule says what it says...
I deal with the rules as they exist right this second, I have no ability to make modifications, or changes to them. I don't care what you want the rule to be, I deal with what it is.
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Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,475 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
Kathy like I said you are stretching that rule way beyond its intended meaning. That should be obvious without me having to say a word. And don't pull the your opinion is no more than mine, because that is bunk. You had no involvement in the rules at any stage. So all you can do is guess and stretch, which you are doing grandly. Please I don't waznt to fight but no one is giving anything valid. I will ask you one final time - QUOTE THE RULE THAT BACKS UP YOUR STATEMENTS. If you can't, or won't, it lessens the validity of your argument and further discussion is a waste of time. | | | Last edited: by Kathy |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Kathy
I slid possess knowledge to make a statement like that. Point blank. You don't and not only are stretching to make the rule fit your desired result, I think you know that you doing it purposely. Just my opinion. But you are treating that rule like its elastic and can encompass whatever you want it to, while ignoring that had ramifications far beyond your claim. Like I said I don't want to fight, but I want someone to make sense. And no one is, that I can see, just a bunch of gibberish and nonsense. Sirry | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,272 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote: You had no involvement in the rules at any stage. So? What does that have to do with anything at all? | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707 Speakers: Paradigm Monitor 7 v6, CC-190 & Atom Monitors Subwoofer: Definitive Technology ProSub 800 BD/DVD: Oppo BDP-93 (Region Free) HD PVR: Motorola DXC3400 500GB w/ 1TB Expander BD/DVD/Game: 250GB PS3 Slim DVD/Game: 250GB XBox 360 Elite Special Edition (Black) Game: Wii Remote: Logitech Harmony One w/ PS3 Adapter WHS: Acer H341 Windows Home Server |
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