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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
There is no argument to be had, the rules are very clear. I am sorry, but the rules are not 'very clear'. In fact, they are quite silent on this issue. Quote:
We have two choices, printed episode list or the list on the disc. Please be so kind as to point to the rule that says this. I have read the rules, more times than I can count, and have yet to see it. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Martian
Read page one. That rule does not stand on its own, that's why Kathy was wrong l, she ignored the entirety of the rules, and wound up making a statement which had very little real context. Read page one. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Skip,
Maybe you can quote exactly which section you are basing your statements on. Here is Page one of the rules to make it easy for you to cut and paste:
"Thank you for your interest in contributing to the DVD Profiler main database!
As part of our ongoing quest to maintain, improve and refine our DVD database, we have created these rules. These rules apply to online contributions. You can use DVD Profiler locally, or you can contribute to the main online database, or you can do both. If you want to contribute to the online database, the rules tell you how to complete each DVD Profiler field.
If you wish to save different information in your local profiles, you are free to do so in your local database, but do not contribute your information. The main database is standardized so that all profiles follow these rules. DVD Profiler allows you to lock your data so that it is not overwritten by updates from the main database.
The authoritative source for information submitted should be the DVD itself. Please don't submit content from a third party database, and always verify the specifications printed on the cover. In both cases, errors abound, so always verify the information directly from the DVD whenever possible.
These rules apply to all kinds of profiles, but there are two special cases where the rules need clarifications. Where you see the icons shown below, refer to the special instructions at the end of this document. These are titled Movie Box sets and TV Series on DVD.
Box sets containing more than one film
TV Series on DVD
Note: The standard rules do apply for these special cases; the sections clarify specific ways the rules apply to box sets and television series on DVD.
We hope every user learns something from this list of rules, and that reading all of the rules adds to your enjoyment of DVD Profiler!
Note: These rules are subject to change without notice. For a list of selected significant updates, see the Revision History.
The latest changes are highlighted." |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
Martian
Read page one. That rule does not stand on its own, that's why Kathy was wrong l, she ignored the entirety of the rules, and wound up making a statement which had very little real context. Read page one. I did read page one and, while I know you think it supports your position, I don't believe it does. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | The answers, Kathy, are right there in what you quoted. Operating on a smartphone has me more than a little hamstrung in more ways than one. Call it a pita  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Let's just cut to the chase here. I am guessing that he is hanging his hat on the quote below: Quote:
The authoritative source for information submitted should be the DVD itself. Please don't submit content from a third party database, and always verify the specifications printed on the cover. In both cases, errors abound, so always verify the information directly from the DVD whenever possible. Because of the way it is worded, I don't believe it supports his stance, but I am not really in the mood to argue about it. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Then you aren't reading it, my martiann friend. It explains what our datasource is in no uncertain terms. The only issue relating to tv as explained is to deal with issues which apply specifically to tv. It does not change page one at all or the usage of outside sources. Iii think under the circumstances described, we have two identical datasets related to the authoritative source and no title data associated with the show itself. I think the only outside datasource we could apply would be an official show website, if available, since that would at least have some connection to the show. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | That is only part of it martian, but definitely a part. And I think I have figured a short term solution that is in keeping with the rules, perhaps not ideal but it should work in lieu of something from ken | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting Winston Smith:
Quote:
Martian
Read page one. That rule does not stand on its own, that's why Kathy was wrong l, she ignored the entirety of the rules, and wound up making a statement which had very little real context. Read page one.
I did read page one and, while I know you think it supports your position, I don't believe it does. I agree - I'm glad that I am not alone in my thinking. |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Let's just cut to the chase here. I am guessing that he is hanging his hat on the quote below:
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The authoritative source for information submitted should be the DVD itself. Please don't submit content from a third party database, and always verify the specifications printed on the cover. In both cases, errors abound, so always verify the information directly from the DVD whenever possible.
Because of the way it is worded, I don't believe it supports his stance, but I am not really in the mood to argue about it. Let me help - "should" is NOT "must". If Ken wanted to he could have worded it differently. For example he clarified that one "must" copy the overview exactly. As Skip himself notes: Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
That is only part of it martian, but definitely a part. . Since it is only a part of it - where do you go for further clarification? I know - why don't we go where Ken tells us to look: "These rules apply to all kinds of profiles, but there are two special cases where the rules need clarifications. Where you see the icons shown below, refer to the special instructions at the end of this document. These are titled Movie Box sets and TV Series on DVD. Box sets containing more than one film TV Series on DVD" Oh wait - isn't this exactly the point I made in my original post? Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
...And I think I have figured a short term solution that is in keeping with the rules, perhaps not ideal but it should work in lieu of something from ken And I believe that Ken has already addressed the matter. So, unless invelos states differently, I will abide by Ken's solution, not yours. |
| | Registered: May 26, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,879 |
| | Posted: | | | | "The authoritative source for information submitted should be the DVD itself. Please don't submit content from a third party database, and always verify the specifications printed on the cover. In both cases, errors abound, so always verify the information directly from the DVD whenever possible."
I read that as saying that the best, most authoritative source of information is the DVD itself. This is why when the package states one thing and the DVD another (such as audio tracks) we use the DVD as the source.
So, in this case, the DVD has 4 episodes on it, episodes which don't match what is listed on the package or the menu. This information is verified directly from watching the DVD. This meets the rules exactly as written: DVD as source, verified directly.
Therefore I would correct the episode titles to match what is actually on the DVD, notating in the notes that you have verified what is actually present directly by watching the DVD in question. | | | If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.
-- Thorin Oakenshield |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Danae Cassandra: Quote:
"The authoritative source for information submitted should be the DVD itself. Please don't submit content from a third party database, and always verify the specifications printed on the cover. In both cases, errors abound, so always verify the information directly from the DVD whenever possible."
I read that as saying that the best, most authoritative source of information is the DVD itself. This is why when the package states one thing and the DVD another (such as audio tracks) we use the DVD as the source.
So, in this case, the DVD has 4 episodes on it, episodes which don't match what is listed on the package or the menu. This information is verified directly from watching the DVD. This meets the rules exactly as written: DVD as source, verified directly.
Therefore I would correct the episode titles to match what is actually on the DVD, notating in the notes that you have verified what is actually present directly by watching the DVD in question. Excellent points - a greenie sent your way - thank you. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | The difference Kathy, is that I am looking for ways to work within the rules, not try to poke holes in them to suit some personal agenda or other. I am naming no one but there are several such users. Even mire interesting is that these people who have poked enough holes to make the rules look like a wheell of jarlsberg, have little or no background or knowledge if how the rules were developed, why or anything else. They jus think they know, evenn one who likes to refer to ken could do this or that. Most of the rules are exactly as they were conceived and written years ago. Maybe that should tell something but it doesn't, those users who think they know have no idea and while I wish it were differentj, sadly many people will continue operating in a mist if their own making, oblivious to all but their own clyelessness. Makes me very sad. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: August 23, 2008 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Danae Cassandra: Quote:
"The authoritative source for information submitted should be the DVD itself. Please don't submit content from a third party database, and always verify the specifications printed on the cover. In both cases, errors abound, so always verify the information directly from the DVD whenever possible."
I read that as saying that the best, most authoritative source of information is the DVD itself. This is why when the package states one thing and the DVD another (such as audio tracks) we use the DVD as the source.
So, in this case, the DVD has 4 episodes on it, episodes which don't match what is listed on the package or the menu. This information is verified directly from watching the DVD. This meets the rules exactly as written: DVD as source, verified directly.
Therefore I would correct the episode titles to match what is actually on the DVD, notating in the notes that you have verified what is actually present directly by watching the DVD in question. Winnah winnah! Chicken dinnah! | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Cass
Question for you. You are actually very close with one small problem, and I am interested in your thoughts. You are correct basically BUT the info says that the episodes themselves have no episode title. So we are left with the data supplied by the disc menu and a user claiming an error, kind if reminds me of the typi discussions and the cast name discussions. How can thousands of users depend on the word of a single user against what the data said. No offense DJ. So what source MIGHT be available to resolve the problem caused by no on screen episode title. As I see it, we have one option that I think works with both the word and spirit ofvthe rules. That is an official website for the dhow because it has a direct tie to it and is not really third party. That I believe works. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Agreed with most people here. If an audio track was labeled English n the metadata, but actually contained French, we would still label it French because the actual content of the DVD is more important than the labels on it. The same principle applies here. It does no one any favors to put clearly wrong data in the database. |
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