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Registered: May 9, 2007 | Posts: 1,536 |
| Posted: | | | | If we can do this from the DVD menu, or if that doesn't specify, from the cover, then I wouldn't look any further using any kind of tool. And that probably goes for the majority of contributors. | | | Hans |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 20,111 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Staid S Barr: Quote: If we can do this from the DVD menu, or if that doesn't specify, from the cover, then I wouldn't look any further using any kind of tool. And that probably goes for the majority of contributors. And sometimes both the DVD Menu and covers can be wrong. I've encountered many DVD releases that are listed as Dolby 5.1 but actually just 2.0 Stereo, or PCM and it's really Dolby. | | | Corey |
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Registered: May 9, 2007 | Posts: 1,536 |
| Posted: | | | | I understand that, but can we really expect contributors to start looking for such problems, unless their regular AV equipment shows it up? Not everybody has additional tools or knows how to use them.
And while I've seen wrong covers, I haven't noticed DVD menus being wrong. But of course, many DVD menus do not specify or allow to select the audio to begin with. | | | Hans |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 5,734 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote: lasitter: that first one is Dolby Digital Surround, the second is Dolby Digital 5.1. And the third? | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 5,734 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Staid S Barr: Quote: I understand that, but can we really expect contributors to start looking for such problems
Yes. If somebody intends to change a Dolby Digital track from 2-Channel Stereo to Dolby Surround or vice versa I expect a more valid source than what's written on the cover or in the menu. And just in case you didn't notice, damned, that guys even do birthyear or common name threads. Quote: Not everybody has additional tools or knows how to use them. And where's the problem to download a free open source program? You do not even have to install VLC, you just unzip the folder and click on vlc.exe. Quote: many DVD menus do not specify or allow to select the audio to begin with Or are incomplete. | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 5,734 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting lasitter: Quote: I'm currently working on "The Luzhin Defence". The audio menu gives me:
"English (Dolby Surround)" and "English (Dolby Digital)" at the audio menu. Forget about the menu. If there are three audio tracks in the existing profile, and VLC shows three audio tracks, the menu is obviously incomplete, don't you agree? Quote: From VLC ...
Audio Track 1: Commentary.
Audio Track: 2 Audio Device: Stereo (options: Mono | Stereo | 2 Front, 2 Rear | 5.1 | A/52 over S/PDIF) Audio Channels: Stereo / 5.1
Audio Track 3 Audio Device: Stereo Audio Channels: Dolby Surround
How should I complete the audio tracks section of the existing profile, which has three tracks and no mention of surround? Let's see. Open the DVD in VLC, select each audio track once and then open Tools -> Codec Information. Provide a screen cap of the audio streams (Codec Details tab). And what's the UPC? | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
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Registered: May 30, 2008 | Posts: 445 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting bbbbb: Quote: Let's see. Open the DVD in VLC, select each audio track once and then open Tools -> Codec Information. Provide a screen cap of the audio streams (Codec Details tab).
And what's the UPC? UPC: 043396063891 For Surround: For Dolby Digital: It's kind of bizarre to me. When I click "surround" on the menu (resulting in top image), I don't see evidence of 3F2R/LFE, which I've seen described as 5.1 surround. Re-checked PowerDVD. It shows Dolby Digital 5.1 when "Dolby Digital" is selected from menu. | | | Last edited: by lasitter |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting bbbbb: Quote: And where's the problem to download a free open source program? You do not even have to install VLC, you just unzip the folder and click on vlc.exe. Who said there was a problem? There isn't a problem...other than the fact that the rules do not require any user to download any program in order to contribute. While you can do more than is required, you can't expect everybody else to do the same. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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Registered: May 30, 2008 | Posts: 445 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: Who said there was a problem? For me, it's not an issue that someone else has got it wrong, but of how I can correctly interpret the information available from things like VLC, and then cross-tabulate it against the pull-down choices of the audio track entry menu, such that I end up with the same entry that a really experienced / really knowledgeable contributor would make. | | | Last edited: by lasitter |
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Registered: May 9, 2007 | Posts: 1,536 |
| Posted: | | | | If you need a whole page full of figures to decide between 5.1 and 2.0, there is something seriously wrong. Of course, it it says 5.1 on the cover and it is actually mono (or even stereo) we should look into it, but unless the cover and/or menu is clearly far off, you can't expect contributors to go into such detail. I am actually surprised that we pay so much attention to sound detail, whereas for the picture we do not even distinguish between monochrome and color... | | | Hans |
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Registered: May 30, 2008 | Posts: 445 |
| Posted: | | | | Another thing: I think I've seen people typically list the commentary track last, but in the case of the "Luzhin Defence", VLC sees it as the first track.
Ignore that, and just leave it last as it is in the profile? |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 5,734 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting lasitter: Quote: It's kind of bizarre to me. When I click "surround" on the menu (resulting in top image), I don't see evidence of 3F2R/LFE, which I've seen described as 5.1 surround. We near the end! The DVD menu is of no use. It's only text, so forget it. When I wrote "Open the DVD in VLC, select each audio track once" I meant: Just play the movie. From Audio -> Audio Track switch to each of the three tracks (VLC will fill in the Channels/Sample rate/Bitrate information after it has touched the track). Provide a screen cap (with only the audio streams if possible). About the UPC: The cover says the movie has DD 5.1 and Dolby Surround audio tracks, and a director's commentary. The current profile and VLC confirm that there are three audio tracks. Based on your screen cap we already know that at least one of the two 2-channel tracks in the profile has the wrong format: 2-Channel Stereo instead of Dolby Surround. Thus confirming the specification on the cover. | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 5,734 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quote: And where's the problem to download a free open source program? You do not even have to install VLC, you just unzip the folder and click on vlc.exe. Who said there was a problem? Staid S Barr. | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
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| T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Staid S Barr: Quote: If we can do this from the DVD menu [...] We can't. |
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| T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting lasitter: Quote: Another thing: I think I've seen people typically list the commentary track last, but in the case of the "Luzhin Defence", VLC sees it as the first track.
Ignore that, and just leave it last as it is in the profile? From the rules: "List audio tracks in the order in which they are encoded on the disc, determined via your DVD player or DVD-ROM drive." |
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Registered: May 9, 2007 | Posts: 1,536 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote: Quoting Staid S Barr:
Quote: If we can do this from the DVD menu [...] We can't. If the DVD menu allows me to select between 5.1 and 2.0, I take that as being the audio tracks, unless there are strong indications to the contrary. But in most cases, I wouldn't look furhter. | | | Hans |
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