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Common names - what's the point?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorsurfeur51
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Quoting CharlieM:
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With terms like "invented", or other times, he accuses the contributors of contributing errors...

For me I use "invented" when:
- the data does not exist in credits
AND
- the data is not used by the actor/actress to speak of himself/herself, nor by anybody else (except Invelos contributors)
AND
- is created only to be used in Invelos online database as "common" name

If you have a better word than "invented", I should be happy to use it.
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What I don't get is this obsession with what's "correct".

If an actor is sometimes credited as John Doe and sometimes as Johnny Doe, why is it so important that the common name is the credit that occurs the most?

Is it because you equate "common name" with "most common name"? It's not the same thing, you know.

If this actually led to [more than a few] people changing incorrect entries, then I'd be all for it. But I have no illusions that it will.

Well, hopefully Ken will come up with a better system...
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I believe that is because Ken himself said that the common name is the most commonly credited name. And because Ken himself said that if you can prove the CLT is showing the wrong most commonly credited name that we can do so.

So really Ken himself brought this on.

Of course going by what Ken said recently... all of this could come to an end with the next update of the program.
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... all of this could come to an end with the next update of the program.

I suppose we can only hope that such an update will not negate all the work that (I suspect) many of us have done locally to perfect our data, in particular the linking, for example by introducing fake BY's, using middle initials more often, or accepting accented characters as the norm rather than the exception...
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Of course only time will tell... but from the possibilities I read in that thread about it I am not sure the birth year will be needed at all if the update goes as expected.
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Although that sounds like an improvement, the users' collective local databases may presently make more distinctions than the online, so making a fundamental change centrally is not without hazards for the perfectionists among us.

I for one do not upload a significant portion of the BYs (real and of course the fake ones) that I have locally, because of a lack of rigorousness in the required evidence for the online. I even use BYs sometimes when names are not exactly the same but sufficiently similar to cause possible confusion. eg. in cases with and without a middle initial.
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Quoting Addicted2DVD:
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I believe that is because Ken himself said that the common name is the most commonly credited name. And because Ken himself said that if you can prove the CLT is showing the wrong most commonly credited name that we can do so.


Well, what he said was:
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However, if a user documents errors in the database where the credit is not entered properly, that can and should be considered. Better yet, correct the entries, assuming you own the discs in question, thereby correcting the lookup results.


To me it reads like "If you see an error, take it into consideration or better yet fix it". Not "Engage the user community to hunt down every possible occurance of an error."

But maybe that's just me...?
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I will have to find the link... but there was a thread where I questioned Ken about what looked like him saying to stop these kind of threads... and he said no... that isn't what he was saying at all. So Ken definitely supports the idea of these threads.
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