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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting RHo:
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Quoting Addicted2DVD:
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But if the episode listing is on the back of the cover then it is part of the overview (...)
No, the episode listing on the cover is not part of the overview on the cover, the same way as the feature listing or the language listing are not part of the overview either. Not every text on the cover is overview.
But of course the cover is one of the preferable sources for the episode list to be added to the overview.
I have to agree with Pete on this one. If the episodes are listed on the back of the case, as far as I am concerned, they are part of the overview. Like Pete, that is the way I have always done it and the way I have always voted. Until Ken or Gerri state otherwise, that is the way I will continue to do it. But RHo is quite right in that there is nothing in the rules that says that the episode lists are part of the overview, in fact the rules consider them as something that can be added to the overview, suggesting they're not part of the overview itself. In that case, he is quite correct is saying there is no source given for the episode listing in the rules. While you're perfectly free to consider the list as part of the overview and treat it as such, until the rules say otherwise RHo is also perfectly free to disagree with you and take the list from elsewhere.  |
| | Registered: August 23, 2008 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | I tend to agree with northbloke and RHo.
Otherwise I'm going to start including everything on the back of the box as an overview when I submit (except extra features, of course). | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. | | | | Last edited: by Alien Redrum |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
But RHo is quite right in that there is nothing in the rules that says that the episode lists are part of the overview, in fact the rules consider them as something that can be added to the overview, suggesting they're not part of the overview itself. I guess it depends on your point of view. From where I sit, that simply means that you can add a simple episode list if one isn't included in the overview. Why does that need to be spelled out? Because the overview has to be taken from the back of the case exactly as written and, if there isn't an episode list included, it couldn't be added without this rule. Quote:
In that case, he is quite correct is saying there is no source given for the episode listing in the rules. While you're perfectly free to consider the list as part of the overview and treat it as such, until the rules say otherwise RHo is also perfectly free to disagree with you and take the list from elsewhere. I never claimed that he wasn't free to do anything. I simply stated how I saw the issue, how I vote and contribute, and that I will continue doing it that way until Ken or Gerri tell me otherwise. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
From where I sit, that simply means that you can add a simple episode list if one isn't included in the overview. Why does that need to be spelled out? Because the overview has to be taken from the back of the case exactly as written and, if there isn't an episode list included, it couldn't be added without this rule. But that's an assumption that you're making. The rule makes no such distinction between an episode list already existing or not. So looking at it from the other angle, if an episode list already exists on the back cover why do we need a rule saying we can add it if it's already part of the overview? The logical conclusion is that the rules don't consider the episode list as part of the overview and this rule allows us to add one whether there's one already on the back cover or not. If that rule only applies when no list already exists on the back cover it should say so, otherwise the rule currently supports RHo's interpretation more than it does your's. |
| | Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,945 |
| | Posted: | | | | Tough one, but I think what Pete said is pretty reasonable. For the overview from the back cover and for the cast and crew listings from the actual on screen title  Donnie | | | | www.tvmaze.com |
| | Registered: November 24, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,282 |
| | Posted: | | | | Please, let's not argue about this. The original question was as follows... Quoting Orici: Quote:
If a DVD back cover & menu screen has a "part 1" as part of an episode title but the actual episode when you watch does not which do you think should be used?
The actual credits reads:
Year of Hell
Year of Hell, Part II The second bit of information tells us what we need to know. We are supposed to use the episodes themselves as the ultimate source of information for profiling. These give the titles as shown above. The Overview and menu screen (and simple episode listing) are irrelevant. I will say again, please don't argue about something that doesn't affect this. Too many threads are being lost in arguments lately. | | | | Last edited: by GreyHulk |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
From where I sit, that simply means that you can add a simple episode list if one isn't included in the overview. Why does that need to be spelled out? Because the overview has to be taken from the back of the case exactly as written and, if there isn't an episode list included, it couldn't be added without this rule.
This is the way I have always interpreted this part of the Rules, as well. It doesn't make any sense to me to add this unless it was to allow the addition of a simple episode list for DVDs that do not include one on the cover. | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GreyHulk: Quote:
Please, let's not argue about this.
The original question was as follows...
Quoting Orici:
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If a DVD back cover & menu screen has a "part 1" as part of an episode title but the actual episode when you watch does not which do you think should be used?
The actual credits reads:
Year of Hell
Year of Hell, Part II
The second bit of information tells us what we need to know. We are supposed to use the episodes themselves as the ultimate source of information for profiling. These give the titles as shown above.
The Overview and menu screen (and simple episode listing) are irrelevant. I will say again, please don't argue about something that doesn't affect this.
Too many threads are being lost in arguments lately. That is not necessarily true. Where do they want to put the info? They do not say. So it isn't all we need to know. As I said... and as others had also said. The way we read that rule if it is for the overview per Rules the info must come from the back cover. (If it is there) If it is for the overview I have one answer. If it is for the cast and crew listings I have another answer. So all the needed info is not there IMO. The overview rule can be read either way? I personally don't see it. But even if that is the case. The only ones that can tell either side they are right or wrong is Ken & Gerri. Till that time we all must contribute and vote per how we read the rules. | | | | Pete | | | | Last edited: by Addicted2DVD |
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