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Grindhouse (Planet Terror - Death Proof) : One movie or two |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
So, as I said earlier, it is a 'double feature', but it is a single film called 'Grindhouse'. In my country, "Death Proof" was released in theaters June,6 2007 and "Planet Terror" August,14 2007". There is no connection between the stories, and actors and crew are different. I hardly see them as a single film. Would you say, about a famous double trilogy that will soon be released in one blu-ray boxset : it is a 'sixfold feature', but it is a single film called 'Starwars' | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
| | Registered: September 26, 2007 |  Posts: 488 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ToumToum: Quote:
After looking at imdb, the USA release was indeed one part only ... but it was almost the only country worldwide that has seen the movies in that format, so that shouldn't influence the contributions for releases outside US, don't you think ?
Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
In my country, "Death Proof" was released in theaters June,6 2007 and "Planet Terror" August,14 2007". There is no connection between the stories, and actors and crew are different. I hardly see them as a single film.
Would you say, about a famous double trilogy that will soon be released in one blu-ray boxset :
it is a 'sixfold feature', but it is a single film called 'Starwars' It was released theatrically as Grindhouse in the USA. When that movie flopped, longer versions of Death Proof and Planet Terror were released as separate movies. Those were also the only theatrical releases in the rest of the world (due to the poor performance of Grindhouse in the US) and the initial DVD/Blu-ray releases. The standalone versions of Death Proof and Planet Terror are not identical with the versions in Grindhouse and should not influence contributions for international releases in my opinion. Grindhouse outside of the USA is essentially a direct-to-video release. The comparison with Star Wars doesn't really work. In that case six movies that tell one long story were made at different times, released years apart and are now collected in a single box set. Grindhouse is closer to New York Stories, where three directors directed independent episodes with only a thematic connection. (And there is a partial cast and crew overlap between the Death Proof and Planet Terror segments, though I don't think that is essential to determine how Grindhouse should be entered in the database.) |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting SilentBob1138: Quote:
Grindhouse is closer to New York Stories, where three directors directed independent episodes with only a thematic connection.
And from recent discussions it seems that episodic films should be entered with group dividers.  Life at the funny farm continues as usual... DVD Profiler, where nothing is what it seems. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 | | | | Last edited: by Nexus the Sixth |
| | Registered: May 8, 2007 |  Posts: 824 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
I have to agree with bigdaddyhorse. While it is a 'double feature', it is a single film, called 'Grindhouse', and it is meant to be watched that way...which is why they included all the fake trailers. The original theatrical release, at least here in the states, was a single feature. You purchased a ticket to 'Grindhouse', not 'Planet Terror' or 'Death Proof'. It is unfortunate that the DVD releases split the segments up, but all seems to be set right with this release.
It should be profiled as a single release, using dividers for each segment that has credits. Why do you always state your opinions as if they are absolute fact, like there is absolutely no way anyone can or should question it. It really rubs some people (like me for instance) the wrong way. | | | | 99.9% of all cat plans consist only of "Step 1." |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
In my country, "Death Proof" was released in theaters June,6 2007 and "Planet Terror" August,14 2007". There is no connection between the stories, and actors and crew are different. I hardly see them as a single film. That doesn't change the fact that it was released, in the CoO, as a single film meant to be watched in one sitting. SilentBob1138 explains, quite well, why it was changed for your country so I won't bother covering that. Quote:
Would you say, about a famous double trilogy that will soon be released in one blu-ray boxset :
it is a 'sixfold feature', but it is a single film called 'Starwars' Was the original theatrical release a single film? No, I didn't think so. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Grendell: Quote:
Why do you always state your opinions as if they are absolute fact, like there is absolutely no way anyone can or should question it. I state my opinions, as most people do, as if they were my opinions. I am not sure why you seem to believe that I am claiming them to be anything other than that. I've just gone back and read some of your posts and I don't see much difference in how you state your opinion and I state mine so color me confused. Quote:
It really rubs some people (like me for instance) the wrong way. I can't help that it rubs you the wrong way. What I can suggest is that you do what I do when someone's posts (like yours for instance) rub me the wrong way...ignore them. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: January 23, 2010 | | Posts: 18 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
That doesn't change the fact that it was released, in the CoO, as a single film meant to be watched in one sitting. SilentBob1138 explains, quite well, why it was changed for your country so I won't bother covering that. I'm sorry but the single fact the only reason it has been release in one seance in the US is (and there we could quote Tarantino and Rodriguez) to honor the grindhouse genre that doesn't exist anywhere else in the world (as well as the single release). Or, grindhouses' showings has never been one single movie, hasn't they ? It's a night of multiple movies that may have been shown separately outside. And that's exactly what we have here : a (really niece) piece of work that contains two movies.  Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Was the original theatrical release a single film? No, I didn't think so. But we could talk about the Lord of the Rings that has been shown in one sitting in some theaters for the release of the last part. It even had the same actors for all three of them and we still don't say it's a single movie, do we ?  |
| | Registered: February 23, 2009 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,580 |
| | | Registered: January 23, 2010 | | Posts: 18 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Taro: Quote:
I think from a DVDP point of view, the easiest and best way to go about it is to make 1 profile with in it the credits for both movies, seperated by episode dividers, no? Yes, and that's how the existing one is. But I did child profiles for my personal database since I want the two movies to appear |
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| | | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ToumToum: Quote:
I'm sorry but the single fact the only reason it has been release in one seance in the US is (and there we could quote Tarantino and Rodriguez) to honor the grindhouse genre that doesn't exist anywhere else in the world (as well as the single release). My guess, and we won't ever know, is that it would have been released exactly the same way, outside the US, had it been a success in the US. Unfortunately, it wasn't. Quote:
Or, grindhouses' showings has never been one single movie, hasn't they ? It's a night of multiple movies that may have been shown separately outside.
And that's exactly what we have here : a (really niece) piece of work that contains two movies. But they weren't shown separately outside...well, not originally. It was created as a single film with multiple parts. That is how it was originally released, that is how the new Blu-ray is released, so that is how it should be profiled. Quote:
But we could talk about the Lord of the Rings that has been shown in one sitting in some theaters for the release of the last part. It even had the same actors for all three of them and we still don't say it's a single movie, do we ? We don't say it is a single movie because they weren't released as a single movie. While some theaters may have shown them together, they were released over a three year span. The same can't be said for Deathproof so the situation isn't even close to being the same. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: June 21, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,621 |
| | Posted: | | | | If I ever see the Blu-ray under $20, then I'll know how I want it profiled in my local. The episode dividers make sense either way though as underneath it all, it is 2 seperate films that were released together. Also made to be with each other, they only split them when US tickets sold poorly as everyone has ADD and can't sit through a 3 hour movie anymore. No matter how this was released in your country, the episode dividers make sense! I'm still waiting for a decent price on this one, esp. already having the EE dvds and a bad cam custom of the theater version. Very glad I did get to see the full 'Grindhouse' in the theater, wished I would've stayed the second time (walked in after watching something else around halfway through Planet Terror, but my company didn't want to stay for another 2 hours, so we watched the rest of PT, the traielrs and bailed.) | | | | Last edited: by bigdaddyhorse |
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