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| Registered: May 20, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting dee1959jay: Quote:
With over 35 different CoO's in my collection, I use it often to keep track of the composition of my collection (i.e. for collection statistics). So I would answer your question with a resounding YES.
Of course, your mileage may vary, and it's not the first time this has been discussed. Those of you with US-centric collectiions will have little use for this field.
BTW I have no idea what you mean by "lines of countries getting blurred". While borders do get redrawn over time in some cases, I've never encountered a case where "blurring" of borders prevented me from identifying a CoO. The only thing I meant, was that sometimes with multiple production companies and multiple countries of filming, sometimes it gets a little "confusing" as to what the true CoO is. And even for US that have "US Centric Collections" still have many films that are technically produced outside the US. That was a little backhanded... Charlie |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote:
I have a question. Since the lines of countries are getting blurred for the movie/film industry, is the COO field something that is truly necessary to track.
I guess my question is, how many people feel that the COO is necessary/worthwhile? Personally I never use this data. But, if I'm doing a profile I want to do it as completely as possible. As others have mentioned though, I would like a check box to be able to list multiple CoOs. I could say the reason is for accuracy...but it might just be that I like check boxes!  | | | | Last edited: by Kathy |
| | Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote:
Quoting dee1959jay:
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With over 35 different CoO's in my collection, I use it often to keep track of the composition of my collection (i.e. for collection statistics). So I would answer your question with a resounding YES.
Of course, your mileage may vary, and it's not the first time this has been discussed. Those of you with US-centric collectiions will have little use for this field.
BTW I have no idea what you mean by "lines of countries getting blurred". While borders do get redrawn over time in some cases, I've never encountered a case where "blurring" of borders prevented me from identifying a CoO.
The only thing I meant, was that sometimes with multiple production companies and multiple countries of filming, sometimes it gets a little "confusing" as to what the true CoO is.
And even for US that have "US Centric Collections" still have many films that are technically produced outside the US. That was a little backhanded...
Charlie Ah, I see. Your mentioning of "lines" got me confused. As I mentioned before, I've proposed a checkbox implementation to solve your problem several times already. And as far as "US-centric collections" go: I have seen quite a few of those, and certainly not just with fellow users from the US. Vice versa, I have also seen many collections from fellow US users that were not US-centric by any standard. So no "backhandedness" was intended. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote:
I guess my question is, how many people feel that the COO is necessary/worthwhile? As any other field, CoO is completely optional.  |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote:
The only thing I meant, was that sometimes with multiple production companies and multiple countries of filming, sometimes it gets a little "confusing" as to what the true CoO is. IMO but that's purely my personal preference, as long as we don't have a better method to track co-productions (CoO other or multiple choices), we should leave the CoO field empty for international co-productions. And an international co-production is a production with companies from at least two countries doing the main part of the "actual" production (on set and post production). I'm not talking about distribution and financing. |
| | Registered: May 26, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,879 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'm with deejay & Corne. I find this to be quite interesting and valuable information and do not want to see it disappear.
I currently have 41 different CoOs listed in my collection, plus another 16 countries that I can't list because they aren't available as options (between owned & wishlist, and that's not counting the international co-productions) .
I would LOVE to see a checkbox option that would allow international co-productions to be properly recorded, as well as the addition of many missing countries.
I believe the country of origin field is currently tied to the DVD locality field. I think Ken would have to separate the tie between these fields to do some of the things we want. | | | If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.
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| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote:
I guess my question is, how many people feel that the COO is necessary/worthwhile? CoO, as original title and year of production (in fact, theatrical release), is for me one of the most important fields concerning movies. I collect movies, not DVDs, and those data that never change from an edition to another are much more important than reproducing bold and italics from an overview (which is rarely an overview). | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
| | Registered: September 30, 2008 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,805 |
| | Posted: | | | | Yeah, I just went in and re-checked, and I'm up to 25 different CoO's listed in my collection. That's information I wouldn't want to lose. I'd be all in favour of having a checklist like there is for subtitles for CoO, allowing for multi-national co-productions to properly be listed!  | | | | The night is calling. And it whispers to me soflty come and play. |
| | Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | If it is important, and by the responses that I get, it is for some users, Someone needs to come up with a way of determining what is supposed to be in the field (within the confines of the current program).
There have been numerous discussions as to what actually belongs. Maybe some better guidelines?
Just a thought |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,796 |
| | Posted: | | | | I also go would prefer a list like the filter list.
I would image any serious collector of film media, (tape, ls, dvd, bd) would be interested in capturing as much data about them as possible. I didn't care before I started collecting, but now I find this data interesting.
I have about 40 countries of those list-able and a few countries not in the list.
I have about 1500 profiles that need CoO filled in.
Profiler fields under the category of “Easier Said Than Done”,
fields I find at times hard fill in are:
Country of Origin (COO),
Studios,
Media.
Theatrical Release Studios, Production Companies, Publishers, Licensors, Distributors, today a lot of these companies are one time creations for tax or other reasons. Today come and go like the shifting sands
You can't even find a definitive count of the number of countries.
United Nations has 192 members.
USA recognizes 193,
and counts of 189,190, 191 up to 203. | | | We don't need stinkin' IMDB's errors, we make our own.
Ineptocracy, You got to love it.
"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." - Abraham Lincoln |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Personally, cute as the CoO data is, I've never actually used it for anything. It's neat to ooh and ahh over it and check out all the different countries, but when it comes down to it, I really don't have anything useful that relies on it. Then throw in the fact that, more often than not, the data is flat out wrong or incomplete and I wouldn't miss it a bit. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | personally agree with mdnitoil | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
personally agree with mdnitoil Me too. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
|   | Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote:
Personally, cute as the CoO data is, I've never actually used it for anything. It's neat to ooh and ahh over it and check out all the different countries, but when it comes down to it, I really don't have anything useful that relies on it. Then throw in the fact that, more often than not, the data is flat out wrong or incomplete and I wouldn't miss it a bit. In case of a checkbox this wouldn't be a problem. | | | | Cor | | | | Last edited: by Corne |
| | Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Corne: Quote:
In case of a checkbox this wouldn't be a problem. While this idea may have merit, I do not think that this is the appropriate place to discuss what is essentially a feature request. This idea would involve a client rewrite, a server rewrite and a DB rebuild. I don't want to speak for Ken, but if it were me, I would not change the program for just this issue. What needs to be discussed, and maybe in conjunction with a rules modification, is what can we do with the existing field that we have. Within the confines of the existing program, what would you (you as in the people that find this information useful and/or necessary) like this field to actually represent? And with that, how do we go about determining the appropriate piece of information to go in that spot? Or do we leave it alone in the hopes that Ken will do something about it in the next release, whenever that may be? Charlie | | | | Last edited: by CharlieM |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote:
Within the confines of the existing program, what would you like this field to actually represent? - In case of only one CoO, I do not see any problem. - In case of international production, I personally choose the CoO that better "represents" the movie, taking in account nationality of Director and actors, location of filming, language of original movie... The origin of the money is the last thing I take in account. All this is rather complicated to put in rules, but I quite never have any problem to make such a choice for my local. | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
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