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| T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting VirusPil: Quote: Locality of the DVD and CoO of the movie would help. Would it? I'm not really asking a question here - merely pointing out a problem. But okay, CoO is U.S., DVD locality is The Netherlands. I'll fill in the rest, as well - there are two rules that seem to apply, but that may contradict each other: Quote: For profiles which have an alternate title displayed on the cover, use the title from the film's credits. So that's what I initially did: the credits show 'Stolen Hearts', and the cover shows the alternate title of 'Two If by Sea'. Seems appropriate, too; the cover and the credits offer me two name variants, and DVD Profiler offers me two fields to store them in. Unfortunately, the rules also say this: Quote: For titles released outside their country of origin, use the original release title. That obviously also applies: this is indeed a film released outside of it's country of origin, so we get to use the "original release title". Unfortunately, the rules neglect to tell us what that is, or where to get it. | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,087 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote: Quoting VirusPil:
Quote: Locality of the DVD and CoO of the movie would help. Would it? I'm not really asking a question here - merely pointing out a problem. But okay, CoO is U.S., DVD locality is The Netherlands.
Yes, I think it matters, because of this: Quote:
Unfortunately, the rules also say this:
Quote: For titles released outside their country of origin, use the original release title. That obviously also applies: this is indeed a film released outside of it's country of origin, so we get to use the "original release title". Unfortunately, the rules neglect to tell us what that is, or where to get it. So (in this case) the original title field of the Netherlands DVD should be what the original title (on screen credit of the US DVD) is. This would be what imho the rules tell and would make the most sense regarding the CLT results.And as you said: It's hard to find out the correct original title in such cases. (Without further research I would have also done as you've done) Edit: If the on-screen credit of the US release is "Two If by Sea" the change would be correct. | | | Last edited: by VirusPil |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Based on a little research, it appears that 'Stolen Hearts' was the title of the film as released in Denmark and the U.K.
The CoO is USA, and the release title here was 'Two if by Sea".
That tells me that the original title is 'Two if by Sea', and since this is a "foreign film" in the locality that it's being profiled for, then the on-screen title does not have to be used as the "Original Title", and should not be.
So it should be profiled as:
Title = Two if by Sea Original Title = blank
All that to say, I agree with you that the current Rule on original titles is in desperate need of fixing!
And I agree with the person to whom you refer, we need a third title field:
They should be labeled:
DVD Cover Title - exactly what you see on the cover (using a standard keyboard) On-Screen Title - exactly what you see in the opening credits (using a standard keyboard) Original Title - title used in the CoO at time of original release (may require research) | | | Hal | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting VirusPil: Quote: Yes, I think it matters As you can see, I'd already reached the same conclusion. Again, I wasn't so much asking a question, but simply pointing out a problem - being that this results in the actual on-screen title not being stored in the profile. For a program that's based in taking as much as possible "as credited" from the film credits, it remains a tad strange that on occasion, we actually ignore the actual on-screen title. That's all I was trying to say - plus that a third field for "on-screen title" would be a good idea. | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,087 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote: Quoting VirusPil:
Quote: Yes, I think it matters As you can see, I'd already reached the same conclusion. Again, I wasn't so much asking a question, but simply pointing out a problem - being that this results in the actual on-screen title not being stored in the profile. For a program that's based in taking as much as possible "as credited" from the film credits, it remains a tad strange that on occasion, we actually ignore the actual on-screen title. That's all I was trying to say - plus that a third field for "on-screen title" would be a good idea. No problem, I was just trying to explain my current understanding of this rule. But it's not always easy, here I agree absolutely with you. I think there were many threads on this. The last one which I can remember as one with very much possibilities was about "Black Ops". My problem: I can't imagine how we could make this part much better. Ok, a third field would be a beginning. But why not also adding all the aka? |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,759 |
| Posted: | | | | IMO the original title should be the title used at the world premiere independant of the locality of the disc. |
| Registered: June 12, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,665 |
| Posted: | | | | I saw it in the theater when it was released in the US and it was called Two If By Sea.
(IMO under either title it was a disappointment. I remember thinking Bullock & Leary must have owed someone a favor and paid it off by doing this film. Didn't realize at the time Leary was also the writer.) | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
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