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Adding additional DiscID for fixed discs.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorJaLe
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So do we have a final verdict here?

- According to DiscID rule it is OK to replace old id with new one.
- But then again it is against the rule that forbids to change info from initial release.

We need to reconcile some result from these two rules.

Therefore my original contribution would be best way to deal this.
Here is an example of it (fake id's of course):
#1 Main Feature (Original) 1234567890
#2 Main Feature (Remastered) 0987654321

If I have understood correctly and ...
we follow that rule that forbids to change info from initial release. Nothing is changed and id still looks like this in program:
#1 Main Feature 1234567890

If we follow that DiscID rule and replace new id over the old one the result in program looks like this:
#1 Main Feature 0987654321

Those last two options looses important information if you e.g. want check which version you have.
You just have version that matches to id, but in which version.

Or you have a different version and you contribute that "new" id. Which is found in some mysterious hidden database, but which doesn't show up in program it self.
=> And yes, we have a ping-pong game ready.

First option doesn't loose any information, only adds some useful data to profile and most likely prevents ping-pong for disc id change.

It would be nice if Ken would give his opinion to this.

PS. While typing, votes on my contribution is: 1 favours and 8 against.
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Adding a second disc id like you have here...

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Therefore my original contribution would be best way to deal this.
Here is an example of it (fake id's of course):
#1 Main Feature (Original) 1234567890
#2 Main Feature (Remastered) 0987654321


I would vote no every time. As the program is counting discs. We do not do this with regular Disc IDs we replace and I wouldn't vote to add it for an occasion such as this It gives the illusion of multiple discs in the disc count of the program.

We do not loose any information when you replace the disc ID as the rules tells us to do it. As all the disc IDs are stored in the main database. They are not all visible in the program itself... but in my opinion they shouldn't be. The program should only show the disc ID you have. Not multiple ones for a single (side of a) disc.
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No just counting the discs.

Also for some plugins (e.g. Load DVD) and the part with disc location gets mistakes if we would treat it like this.
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Quoting JaLe:
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- According to DiscID rule it is OK to replace old id with new one.

I wouldn't refer to it as "old" and "new" ID. I regard it as a further ID, which can lead you to the matching profile.
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Therefore my original contribution would be best way to deal this.
Here is an example of it (fake id's of course):
#1 Main Feature (Original) 1234567890
#2 Main Feature (Remastered) 0987654321

It's not a good way. For the release doesn't contain two discs with both the original and the remastered version.
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Or you have a different version and you contribute that "new" id. Which is found in some mysterious hidden database, but which doesn't show up in program it self.
=> And yes, we have a ping-pong game ready.

But the latest ID will show up in the program. Unless you lock your Disc Information section. And we do not have a ping-pong game, because we reference the replaced ID in the contribution notes.
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PS. While typing, votes on my contribution is: 1 favours and 8 against.
Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect]
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IMO, only useful info is where you can actually see both id's.

I don't understand the point for that hidden database, why it is hidden. What else is hidden.

For now I'll withdraw by contribution.

Lets see where this discussion leads.
Meanwhile I'll go to burn my sticks to barbecue some meat and reconsider contributing that id change. Or maybe some one else can do it.
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IMO, only useful info is where you can actually see both id's.

I don't understand this line of thinking... why would you want to see both? You do not have both... only one of the (what could possibly be many) disc IDs is all that is correct for you. I definitely couldn't care less about the other disc ID's for that release... as they are not representative to what I own.

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I don't understand the point for that hidden database, why it is hidden. What else is hidden.

The point is... as I said... having all of them listed in the profile is NOT correct to the disc people own. There is ONE disc... and ONE disc ID that you own. What different does it make what the other disc IDs there is? Disc ID is one thing you must do yourself for all your profiles if this is info you want correct. Which I do since I want it to go to the correct profile when I put the disc in the drive.

As for why it is hidden... other then because that is how Ken wanted it... it makes the profile show the disc correctly.. 1 disc = 1 Disc ID (if not duel sided) as it should be.

Think about it for a minute.. you have a TV Season set... 6 discs. Say there is 5 to 6 Disc IDs per disc out there... that would be a line of 30 to 36 disc IDs in the parent profile. I know I sure don't want such a mess in my profiles.

What else is hidden? No idea... only Ken could say for sure.

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For now I'll withdraw by contribution.

Lets see where this discussion leads.
Meanwhile I'll go to burn my sticks to barbecue some meat and reconsider contributing that id change. Or maybe some one else can do it.


As I said... if I ever seen it come through on one of the profiles I have I would instantly vote no.
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I don't understand the point for that hidden database, why it is hidden.

As I see it the Disc IDs are not hidden intentionally, but the effort to implement a visual display has been spared.

Maybe we could provide the disc date, too, and the online would deliver the oldest ID. Does every DVD contains a date?
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DVDProfiler does not contain disc dates, just (original) release dates.
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DVDProfiler does not contain disc dates, just (original) release dates.

Yes, but it would be more consistent in regard of the original release policy if the profile wouldn't deliver the latest added ID but the ID from the oldest disc.
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Agreed, but the question is: how to identify which Disc ID is the original one? The system itself doesn't "know".
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Think about it for a minute.. you have a TV Season set... 6 discs. Say there is 5 to 6 Disc IDs per disc out there... that would be a line of 30 to 36 disc IDs in the parent profile. I know I sure don't want such a mess in my profiles.

5 to 6 different DiscID's per disc on one and same UPC/EAN. 
Well that is a messed up release after all.
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It wouldn't necessarily be a messed up release. Just that it is normal to have multiple disc ids for any and all releases.
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If we are talking about e.g. exactly the same disc but newer batch of discs and therefore new DiscID, then I understand your point.

But I think that my case is a bit different. New disc is remastered and content isn't same as in original release.
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But I seriously and wholeheartedly don't believe it should be treated any differently. Especially when it comes to putting more disc IDs into that list in the program then there is actual discs when you buy the actual release. I see no reason in the world I would want something like that. As I said... it gives the illusion that there is more discs in the release then what there actually is.

Say I place and order and I see...

#1 Main Feature (Original) 1234567890
#2 Main Feature (Remastered) 0987654321

...when I download the profile. When I look at that I expect 2 discs in the release one Original and one Remastered. When it arrives I would be completely and utterly confused as well as upset once it arrives.

But if we do it as the rules are written now... it will show only 1 disc ID... and I would be getting exactly what I expect. And already know I have to put it in the computer to be sure I have the correct Disc ID for my copy.
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Quoting JaLe:
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But I think that my case is a bit different. New disc is remastered and content isn't same as in original release.


Since this is essentially a new release you could submit a new profile using the new disc ID instead of EAN and maybe put Remastered in the edition field. Just an idea...
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You wouldn't be able to use Remastered in the Edition field unless it says it on the case...

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The Edition field is for distinguishing between DVDs, and for indicating special versions and collections (for example The Criterion Collection, Widescreen, Full-Screen Edition, Director's Cut). It's usually safe to use one of the built-in selections if appropriate. If you are using a non-standard description, take it from the DVD box, and ensure it will help distinguish between different releases of the same title. [/b]

See what I put in bold. If it is not in our list of Editions the edition must come from the box.
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