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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ninehours: Quote:
should they be included at the end of the cast list You are not required to enter them but I don't see why you can't. It's up to whoever wants to enter them I guess. I'm not sure that I would bother since they seem to be "extras". | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting johnd: Quote:
So, a cast member is only defined within a certain section of the credits? That is too stupid for words.
If so, why does any profile have any "uncredited" cast, as these don't appear anywhere in the credits. That is what the Rules say, johnd, like it or no there is a reason for it. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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Quoting tweeter:
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I would have no problem with the addition.
Neither would I. There was a parade in the film, on camera, and these people participated in it. Seems like cast to me.
We have to remember that 'we' defined a standard cast list and no film makers were consulted. They are not bound by our rules and can put cast anywhere they want. If they are credited, then they should be included.
You are correct Profiler defined a STANDARD cast listand it is stated in the Rules, Martian.And that Rule says what? You are no arguing that the rule should be ignored because you too have some mystical divination capabilities. I am sorry not hat data lies OUTSIDE of the definition of =Standard Cast and is NOT a part of the Cast list. Acoountants are Cast?....REALLY? The Bonding Agent is Cast? You do an infomercial for your divining rod ,it must be something. Simply follow the Rules I do follow the rules and the rules do not back you up as you seem to be forgetting the portion of the rules that begins with "If a film does not have standard credits, use the following rules." In this case, all credited actors involved are NOT listed at the end of the film, so we don't have 'standard film credits'. Since we don't have standard credits, the portion you quoted does not apply. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Once again,I fall back to the definition of standard credits which is self-explanatory and does not state that you can look anywhere and every where to find what you THINK is Cast data, it is defined very specifically. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting johnd: Quote:
So, a cast member is only defined within a certain section of the credits? That is too stupid for words. It would, indeed, be stupid if that is what the rules said...fortunately, that isn't what they say. This is how they are broken down... First, they define standard credits:For the purposes of this section we define "standard" film credits as those where all credited actors involved are listed at the end of the film - defined here as the "end credits". The section details both the actor’s Name and the Role that they played in the film. The credits may be listed "in order of appearance", "alphabetical order" or in an order of importance decided by the filmmakers. Some actors may be credited a second time in either credits at either the opening or close of the film.Second, they tell us what to do when a film does have standard credits:For any film with standard credits, take the actor information from the end credits only, with names and roles listed exactly as they are in the credits and in exactly the same order credited. Exception: If the credit information is entirely capitalized, use standard capitalization rules instead.Third, they tell us what to do when a film does not have standard credits:If a film does not have standard credits, use the following rules:If a film does not have end credits, as defined in the first section above, the second section does not apply. Instead, we follow the rules in the third section. That is what should be done, per the rules, for this film. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I simply don't agree with your attempt to create non-standard credits out of somethiing that clearly does have standard credits. And never will. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
Once again,I fall back to the definition of standard credits which is self-explanatory and does not state that you can look anywhere and every where to find what you THINK is Cast data, it is defined very specifically. You can fall back on whatever you want, but the rules do allow me to look anywhere and everywhere to find cast: If a film has no end credits, but does have actors credited elsewhere, enter the actors from those credits. If I am not allowed to look 'anywhere' and 'everywhere' for actors, then what is the point of this rule? How would I know whether or not they are listed elsewhere if I am not allowed to look elsewhere?  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Once again there are a few that disagree with the majority. Has there ever been a unanimous agreement?  It might be best to submit the changes that comply with how you read the guidelines and let the screeners decide. | | | | Last edited: by Kathy |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
I simply don't agree with your attempt to create non-standard credits out of somethiing that clearly does have standard credits. And never will. I am not creating anything. As I said, the mere fact that all credited actors involved are not listed at the end of the film makes these non-standard credits. I am sorry, but that is how the rules are written. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting Winston Smith:
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Once again,I fall back to the definition of standard credits which is self-explanatory and does not state that you can look anywhere and every where to find what you THINK is Cast data, it is defined very specifically.
You can fall back on whatever you want, but the rules do allow me to look anywhere and everywhere to find cast:
If a film has no end credits, but does have actors credited elsewhere, enter the actors from those credits.
If I am not allowed to look 'anywhere' and 'everywhere' for actors, then what is the point of this rule? How would I know whether or not they are listed elsewhere if I am not allowed to look elsewhere? Therein lies the weakness of your argument, Ferris Bueller does have clearly defined STANDARD credits. Further note that these alleged Cast Members have NO ROLE attached to them, unlike the people in the Cast list. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
Once again there are a few that disagree with the majority. Has there ever been a unanimous agreement?
It might be best to submit the changes that comply with how you read the guidelines and let the screeners decide. Once more an attempt to completely discount and disregard the opinion of a user. In this case a user who has intimate knowledge of the entire process. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
Therein lies the weakness of your argument, Ferris Bueller does have clearly defined STANDARD credits. Ferris Bueller does not have standard credits as defined by our rules. They do, however, have a main cast section and a supplemental cast section. As I said before, the mere fact that all credited actors involved are not listed at the end of the film makes these non-standard credits. You don't have to agree, but I am done repeating myself because it doesn't seem to be doing any good.  Quote:
Further note that these alleged Cast Members have NO ROLE attached to them, unlike the people in the Cast list. Something else that makes them non-standard credits...or have you forgotten the portion of the rules that read, "If an actor is credited by name but does not have an associated role..." | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
Quoting Kathy:
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Once again there are a few that disagree with the majority. Has there ever been a unanimous agreement?
It might be best to submit the changes that comply with how you read the guidelines and let the screeners decide.
Once more an attempt to completely discount and disregard the opinion of a user. In this case a user who has intimate knowledge of the entire process. See the ? Once again you are putting motives where there are none. I do have a problem with one of your statements though. I sounds like you feel that your opinion is more important because you had "intimate knowledge of the entire process". Do you feel that this makes your position right? Not necessarily. You have made yourself quite clear that you are unwilling to listen to any other dissenting opinion: Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
I simply don't agree with your attempt to create non-standard credits out of somethiing that clearly does have standard credits. And never will. Since the majority disagree with you, it might be that your position is wrong. Or, conversely, it might be that the majority opinion is wrong. So, I suggested what I feel is quite rational, that it might be best for the screeners to decide. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | In your opinion they have a "supplemental Cast list without Roles and that makesit non-standard. In mine you are dead wrong, and given my intimate knowledge, I'll take mine since know what the objective was and it was not to look any and everywhere to try and divine Cast that are outside of the standard cast list. The cast list you are referring to is within the defined CREW data,and your idea literally makes every Crew person potential Cast, how can you determine whether or not the Gaffer is Cast,in all likelihood he may have been part of the crowd scene, how can you decide. They are not within the cast list, that's. I am truly concerned about this idea of using a Magic 8 Ball to decide what is or not cast, when the filmmakers create list, many times labeled CAST and followed by another list many times labeled CREW, yet you are telling me that Crew is Cast. No, you will never persuade me, and like I said my knowledge on this is first hand, yours is not. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
Quoting Winston Smith:
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Quoting Kathy:
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Once again there are a few that disagree with the majority. Has there ever been a unanimous agreement?
It might be best to submit the changes that comply with how you read the guidelines and let the screeners decide.
Once more an attempt to completely discount and disregard the opinion of a user. In this case a user who has intimate knowledge of the entire process.
See the ? Once again you are putting motives where there are none.
I do have a problem with one of your statements though. I sounds like you feel that your opinion is more important because you had "intimate knowledge of the entire process". Do you feel that this makes your position right? Not necessarily.
You have made yourself quite clear that you are unwilling to listen to any other dissenting opinion:
Quoting Winston Smith:
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I simply don't agree with your attempt to create non-standard credits out of somethiing that clearly does have standard credits. And never will.
Since the majority disagree with you, it might be that your position is wrong. Or, conversely, it might be that the majority opinion is wrong.
So, I suggested what I feel is quite rational, that it might be best for the screeners to decide. Kath6y5: To me the smiley is attached to question. Hence my response and highlighting of the specific sentence. Since you refer to the majority opinion possibly being wrong, then again I must say that I have knowledge about this that the majority does not possess, that simple. And that makes the majority wrong. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
|  | johnd | | Evening, poetry lovers. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 298 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
That is what the Rules say, johnd, like it or no there is a reason for it. No, they do not. They say: For any film with standard credits, take the actor information from the end credits only, with names and roles listed exactly as they are in the credits and in exactly the same order credited. They do not say to take the actor information from only one part of the credits. As for uncredited actors: Uncredited actors may be listed in alphabetical order following all credited actors. Use the "Uncredited" checkbox to indicate these. Uncredited actors are not required entries.Stop trying to distort the rules to fit your world view. |
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