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| Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Edited to remove, because completely unnecessary and a waste of time. | | | | Last edited: by VirusPil |
| | Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting me from another thread: Quote:
I really thought he wouldn't play another childish game. How dumb from me.  |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting VirusPil: Quote:
Quoting me from another thread:
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I really thought he wouldn't play another childish game. How dumb from me. I have answered in the other thread, but you apparently did not take it in account. I'm fed up with all those accusations. I have written dozen of times that accented names were a problem, and now people who said it was not, seem upset to discover that cleaning the database will be a huge work. They disagree with my method but none PMed me to discuss it, they just vomit their venom in threads they hijack instead on working on the problem. BYE. | | | | Images from movies |
| | Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Quoting VirusPil:
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Quoting me from another thread:
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I really thought he wouldn't play another childish game. How dumb from me.
I have answered in the other thread, but you apparently did not take it in account.
My intend was just to add this also to the thread where it all started and therfore also belongs. Quote:
I'm fed up with all those accusations. I have written dozen of times that accented names were a problem, and now people who said it was not, seem upset to discover that cleaning the database will be a huge work. They disagree with my method but none PMed me to discuss it, they just vomit their venom in threads they hijack instead on working on the problem.
You are not dumb, so if your intend wasn't to play another game and you didn't want to do the work, but still do a help, you would have listed the names in one single thread (this one for example). So users who do not just want to troll, could this work in a useful way.Quote:
BYE. Not happy to say, but: Enough said, Bye. | | | | Last edited: by VirusPil |
|   | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
I have written dozen of times that accented names were a problem, and now people who said it was not, seem upset to discover that cleaning the database will be a huge work. "Cleaning up the database" always has been, and always will be, "a huge work". I've just said in the past that accents don't pose much of a problem, since Ken has given us crystal clear, absolutely foolproof directions on how to deal with them. Much easier than, say, parsing, for which we have no rules whatsoever, meaning that anything goes. Finding common names only relies on the level of correctness of the data in the database, and with a large batch of IMDb-mined data in the database, we often need common name-finding threads to find what's actually the common name for our purposes. That's no different for accented names - it's not at all the "unique" situation you keep trying to make it. All common name-finding matters are exactly the same: it doesn't matter if the difference is, say, the lack or presence of a middle initial, or the lack or presence of an accent. It's all the same thing. So for DVD Profiler purposes, this is not a "special" group of common names in any way. The basic "use the most-credited form" principle applies equally to all of them. Then again: I believe you know all of that perfectly well, but you're just acting "innocent". Quote:
They disagree with my method but none PMed me to discuss it I did better than that - I addressed your method right here in the forums, out in the open. I explained to you, and I quote, that " you haven't done anything except repeatedly throwing out a "what's the common name for..."-question without any other input whatsoever. I can see how that's "efficient" for you, but it's pretty pointless as well - especially since, as this exchange proves, your method seems to alienate the people you're depending on to confirm credits for you. It's pretty much a self-fulfilling prophecy: you don't put in the effort, so others won't either, and the result is bound to be a failure. Though again, I can't help but wonder if that's not exactly what you're aiming for... If so, the only point you will have proven, though, is that people are more than willing to confirm credits for you if you put in some effort yourself as well, but less willing to do so when you're not bringing any input or even a bit of structure to these threads. No surprise there, really." And I concluded with: " Bottom line: if you're at all serious about this, then put in the effort. No need to do a hundred straight away - just start with a few, but do them properly. If all this is just an attempt to make a point, and you have no real intent to follow through on any of these threads, then please don't bother creating a hundred more." Of course, you haven't answered. Quote:
they just vomit their venom in threads they hijack instead on working on the problem. No venom here - just shaking my head at all this pointless twisting and turning. If you really wanted to "work on the problem", as you're saying, then prove it. I'll say it again: then prove it! Like I just said: rather than starting a hundred of these threads straight away, just start with a few, but do them properly. Supply some more details, include a list of titles you want confirmed, confirm the credits in your own database, update your list with the findings from others, and so on - if you do that, you'll see that people will be happy to help out, and you'll actually get some results. If you just keep asking "what's the common name?" with absolutely nothing more, then you won't get anywhere. You get what you give. And your continued refusal to give any kind of input in these threads, even creating them for people with only one single credit in the database which you own and therefore could have confirmed yourself, has made it obvious that you have no intent of actually "working on the problem", as you describe it. Quote:
BYE. Yeah, bye-bye. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Why must you always stick a jab at people's motives into your posts? For the record, whether you want to believe it or not, I am not trying to impose my will on the database, I am simply following what the rules tell me to do.
In the case of crew, they tell me to...
"Group names of crew members together within each role available and list in exactly the same order credited."
...in order to follow that rule, I have to list each name as I see it. If I don't, they are no longer 'in exactly the same order credited'...especially if the end credit is mixed in with other credits. I am sorry that you don't like it, but that is how the rule is written and there is no parsing required. No you aren'tyou are engaging in selective reading and interpretation.. If you think I was jabbing at your notives then perhaps i hit close to home I have no idea what your motives are, but i do know that you are engaged in selective reading which results in two completely different approaches toessentially the same(or at least similar data) which is totally irrational. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
In the case of crew, they tell me to...
"Group names of crew members together within each role available and list in exactly the same order credited." Off-topic, but I've already had to break that rule for this profile anyway because of the way the credits are written: there are only end credits and the main crew are credited firstly with a vague, generic credit (for example there are 3 names listed under "Sound") and are then credited again later with a more detailed credit (sound engineer, sound editor, sound mixer). | | | | Last edited: by northbloke |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
No you aren'tyou are engaging in selective reading and interpretation.. I am reading exactly what is there, so how can it be selective reading? If you think following the rules as written is selective reading, then you don't know what that phrase means. Quote:
If you think I was jabbing at your notives then perhaps i hit close to home Saying that there are "somepeople parsing the Rule to impose their will on the database" is taking a jab at people's motives so, I don't think you are, I know you are and, if I had any doubt, your next line below removed it. Quote:
I have no idea what your motives are, but i do know that you are engaged in selective reading which results in two completely different approaches toessentially the same(or at least similar data) which is totally irrational. I follow the rules as they are written. I am sorry that you have a problem with that, but it is your problem, not mine. I do find it a tad funny that you gave T!M's post a  then, when I agreed with it, you took the opposit position. Is that because you didn't understand T!M's post or because you wanted to disagree with me?  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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In the case of crew, they tell me to...
"Group names of crew members together within each role available and list in exactly the same order credited."
Off-topic, but I've already had to break that rule for this profile anyway because of the way the credits are written: there are only end credits and the main crew are credited firstly with a vague, generic credit (for example there are 3 names listed under "Sound") and are then credited again later with a more detailed credit (sound engineer, sound editor, sound mixer). I actually don't think you broke the rule in that example as the first three credits that you listed, because there is a 'PSM' credit, aren't allowed.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Forum Moderator: Removed | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Forum Moderator |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
WellMartian,so now you claim to KNOW. Yes, I do, because you said it. Are you really going to try and tell me that "somepeople parsing the Rule to impose their will on the database" isn't taking a jab at people's motives?  Quote:
Well then I KNOW that you are engaged in selective parsing and reading. You are not reading cast and Crew as a whole.You are reading and parsing to achieve what you wish Anybody, who has been paying attention for the last 10+ years, knows that I only care about the Director, Producer, Creature Effects and, sometimes, Composer. The rest of the crew I couldn't care less about and only enter them as a courtesy. What I wished, was to get the one credit in that list, into Profiler. While I am a good parser, there is no way I could parse the rules to allow it. Fortunately, for me, Ken added it to the program so I have alread achieved my wish and have no other wish when it comes to crew. Quote:
with the end result being the utterly absurd idea that Cast and Crew be dealt with in two totally different, and in fact opposite methods,which is utterly CRAZY. All I can do is follow the rules as written. If you don't like it, get the rules changed. Until then, go pick a fight with someone else as I have better things to do. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting Winston Smith:
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WellMartian,so now you claim to KNOW.
Yes, I do, because you said it. Are you really going to try and tell me that "somepeople parsing the Rule to impose their will on the database" isn't taking a jab at people's motives?
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Well then I KNOW that you are engaged in selective parsing and reading. You are not reading cast and Crew as a whole.You are reading and parsing to achieve what you wish
Anybody, who has been paying attention for the last 10+ years, knows that I only care about the Director, Producer, Creature Effects and, sometimes, Composer. The rest of the crew I couldn't care less about and only enter them as a courtesy. What I wished, was to get the one credit in that list, into Profiler. While I am a good parser, there is no way I could parse the rules to allow it. Fortunately, for me, Ken added it to the program so I have alread achieved my wish and have no other wish when it comes to crew.
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with the end result being the utterly absurd idea that Cast and Crew be dealt with in two totally different, and in fact opposite methods,which is utterly CRAZY.
All I can do is follow the rules as written. If you don't like it, get the rules changed. Until then, go pick a fight with someone else as I have better things to do. I believe I have said exactly that now THREE times. You are creating a motive that simply did not exist. But as I said if believe it did,then perhaps it was close to home or true | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
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