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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,774 |
| | Posted: | | | | The Screenshot posted earlier showed the movie title with a space (but one that was pretty small), hence the disagreements.  | | | | Last edited: by SpaceFreakMicha |
| | Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Again, this is another problem of trying to duplicate the graphics of whats on the cover.
Charlie |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting SpaceFreakMicha: Quote:
... (but one that was pretty small)... Not so small (larger than the space between Harry and Crumb and about 10 times the space between m and b)... But I agree with CharlieM. It is a pity to have a rule asking to duplicate the graphic of the cover. | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
|   | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
larger than the space between Harry and Crumb Sure, but those words are differently positioned on the screen as far as height is concerned, you so can't really compare with that. As I said earlier: it's nothing new that different users have different opinions on whether they see a space or not. The good thing is that we have the credits block to show us how the filmmakers intended the title without any kind of fancy formatting. And that credits block clearly shows 'Who's Harry Crumb?'. That, to me, eliminates any uncertainty I might have had after looking at the title screen. |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
The good thing is that we have the credits block to show us how the filmmakers intended the title without any kind of fancy formatting. For that case, we have not, per the rules, to use credits block: Rules : "For titles which include periods, dashes, or other symbols, check the credit block on the back of the case if included." No period, no dash, no symbol. Just text with space, no place for interpretation. --------------------------------------- PS Quoting T!M two days ago: Quote:
instead, I simply intend to never communicate with you ever again. Thanks for having changed your mind. Anger is never a good thing...  | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
we have not, per the rules, to use credits block As always, that depends how you interpret it. To me, the "For titles which include periods, dashes, or other symbols, check the credit block on the back of the case if included" rule seems to be exactly geared towards these kind of situations, even though it doesn't explicitly name the space. It does, however, clearly directs us to look at the credits block when we're in doubt over such formatting issues, and one could even argue that the space is actually covered by the "or other symbols" bit in this rule... Or one could argue, like jmbox does below, that it's not about a space, but merely about how the question mark is formatted - if you look at it that way, the rule certainly applies. I'm really not going to go into all that, though. I just like the common sense approach that when we're at odds over what exactly we see on the screen, the credits block is extremely helpful. With "one person sees a space, the other one doesn't" we're never going to reach an agreement, so we need to look at something for additional input. And hey presto: there's the credits block helping us out!  | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: April 14, 2007 |  Posts: 415 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
No period, no dash, no symbol. Just text with space, no place for interpretation. I believe a question mark is a symbol, no? I am surprised and saddened that ninehours would let one user affect his decision to stay here. It was an honest question that needed clarification. Perhaps he will reconsider  |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote:
My cover, there definitely isn't a space... Quoting SpaceFreakMicha: Quote:
The Screenshot posted earlier showed the movie title with a space (but one that was pretty small), hence the disagreements.
In CharlieM's screenshot there is not a space. But, in SpaceFreakMicha's there definitely is. So, based on these screenshots each title would be handled differently. There have been many situations in which the title differs in various ways. We treat each of these titles individually. There should not be an exception made in this case. As far as the original poster's screenshot, I did not get a chance to see it but, if it is anything like the second screenshot above, then a space is necessary according to invelos rules. Ninehours, if uncertain of this, was right to bring it to the forums in order to gain input from others on the question. I too hope that he will reconsider his decision and return. |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
As far as the original poster's screenshot, I did not get a chance to see it but, if it is anything like the second screenshot above, then a space is necessary according to invelos rules.
I saw the original post, and the second image is in fact what Ninehours posted. I too regret his decision, especially for something which is a detail, and a post from DJ Doena that was not aimed to hurt. | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
In CharlieM's screenshot there is not a space. But, in SpaceFreakMicha's there definitely is. Given the current poll results you manage to sound surprisingly certain... The reality is that not everyone sees the same thing. Again, there's this rule, which seems to be exactly geared towards these kind of situations: Quoting the rules: Quote:
For titles which include periods, dashes, or other symbols, check the credit block on the back of the case if included. My personal stance, even before looking at any rule, is simply that when, out of 22 people, 18 don't see a space and 4 do, we need to look at something else for additional input. And hey presto: there's the credits block helping us out... | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting Kathy:
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So, based on these screenshots each title would be handled differently.
Given the current poll results you manage to sound surprisingly certain... It is difficult to know how people vote. As the poll was written, you can vote two ways : the way about what you see on the image (that has disappeared during several hours). And the way about what you want to see in the database. In my case, though I see a space, I voted for the other solution that seems more correct for me (as I would vote for Taxi 4 against T4XI in a poll). In a contribution, no choice : follow rules, and the space is here. | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting Kathy:
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In CharlieM's screenshot there is not a space. But, in SpaceFreakMicha's there definitely is.
Given the current poll results you manage to sound surprisingly certain...
I never look at the poll results before voting. I look at the question, check the rules, assess the situation relative to other similar situations and make my decision based on my best understanding of these factors. Based on the second screen shot there is a space - absolutely no question. I don't even need calipers to access that. The rules are also quite clear as has been quoted in this thread. Finally, we have run into similar situations many times in the past. Taxi 4 vs. Ta4i, Death Bed vs. DeathBed etc. Please note that I am not saying that I like it, in fact locally I would not have the space and I would lock my title data down. But, my personal feelings have no place regarding the online database. So, based I this information and even knowing the poll results, yes I am certain that, in this instance, a space needs to be placed between "Crumb" and "?". | | | | Last edited: by Kathy |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
So, based I this information and even knowing the poll results, yes I am certain that, in this instance, a space needs to be placed between "Crumb" and "?". Well, I disagree with you. Judging from the poll results, quite a few users disagree with you. I even think the rules disagree with you. So where do we go from here? | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
So where do we go from here? As usual. Contributor contributes what he thinks good. Voters vote. Screeners decide. | | | | Images from movies |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting Kathy:
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So, based I this information and even knowing the poll results, yes I am certain that, in this instance, a space needs to be placed between "Crumb" and "?".
Well, I disagree with you. Judging from the poll results, quite a few users disagree with you. I even think the rules disagree with you. So where do we go from here? I might very well be wrong but then so might the majority. Please show me what in the rules you are basing your opinion on. As far as where do we go, I wish there was a simple definitive answer for many of the situations that come up as far as the online database is concerned. Alas, this will never come to be since, as far as I can remember, there has never been a one hundred percent agreement on any topic. All we can do is assess the situation, discuss it and then contribute and vote based on our individual understanding of what is being addressed. Then, Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
As usual. Contributor contributes what he thinks good. Voters vote. Screeners decide. |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
Please show me what in the rules you are basing your opinion on. I already did that. Here. And then I referred to it again here. Other than that, I'm happy to just "wait and see", but as I explained on page #1, it's extremely important that we all handle these matters in the exact same way. Knowing that the CLT numbers rely on us consistently using the same original title right, we can't have a different outcome every time this comes up. It can't be based on one group of users seeing one thing and another group of users seeing another. In that regard, looking to the credits block to confirm whether a space was intended or not seems like an easy, pretty much foolproof way to get everyone on the same page without even giving it so much a moment's thought. |
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