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Dead Snow (Group Role)
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorT!M
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So why thinking about this?

I don't understand the problem either...
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Just read briefly here, but Zombie #1 means (from the commentarytrack and special features) the ones that is near the camera. Zombie #2 and #3 is the zombies further from the camera. Hope this explains it better
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That being said, the rules allow for us to add a role, from another source, when one isn't listed in the credits.

But a role is listed in the credits, in the form of a group role, which we turn into a divider.

I don't believe I said otherwise...in fact, I believe I said that I thought northbloke has it right.  The reason I offered that bit of the rules is because I don't believe my opinion trumps anybody else's opinion.  For those that believe 'Zombie #1' is a singular role, and I can see why they would think that, there is a section of the rules that would allow them to add a role.
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The reason I offered that bit of the rules is because I don't believe my opinion trumps anybody else's opinion.

Sounds absolutely lovely, sure, but a consistent online database cannot be built on dozens of different opinions. There needs to be a consistent approach to these matters. In this case, the screenshot clearly shows group roles, and we've decided to enter those using dividers. I really don't see how anything else is acceptable as far as the online database is concerned.
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In this case, the screenshot clearly shows group roles, and we've decided to enter those using dividers.

Makes sense to me. And what bentyman tells us confirms that not only is it within the rules to use dividers, but it also yields the most accurate data:

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...Zombie #1 means (from the commentarytrack and special features) the ones that is near the camera...


I'm frequently in favour of bending the rules if it will yield more accurate and useful data, but in this instance it's absolutely not necessary, and in fact doing so will enter incorrect data into the db.
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The reason I offered that bit of the rules is because I don't believe my opinion trumps anybody else's opinion.

Sounds absolutely lovely, sure, but a consistent online database cannot be built on dozens of different opinions. There needs to be a consistent approach to these matters. In this case, the screenshot clearly shows group roles, and we've decided to enter those using dividers. I really don't see how anything else is acceptable as far as the online database is concerned.

I don't disagree, but it isn't my database, nor is it yours.  Try as we might, we can't enforce anything.  All you, or I, or anybody can do is offer our opinions on the matter.  Beyond that, it is up to Ken to decide what is and isn't acceptable as far as the online database is concerned...and it isn't always consistent.
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All you, or I, or anybody can do is offer our opinions on the matter.

But of course. My opinion is that these are clearly and unmistakeably group roles, which we enter using dividers, with no role names for the people listed as part of that group.

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I don't disagree

All in agreement, then? Going once... Going twice... Sold!! 
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All you, or I, or anybody can do is offer our opinions on the matter.

But of course. My opinion is that these are clearly and unmistakeably group roles, which we enter using dividers, with no role names for the people listed as part of that group.

While I agree it is a group divider, I don't believe it is clear and unmistakeable.  In English, and taken at face value, 'Zombie #1' is a singular role.  For that reason, I can see how people would see it differently that we do.
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In English, and taken at face value, 'Zombie #1' is a singular role.

Sure, but for DVD Profiler purposes, we don't need to interpret what the role means, and we certainly don't depend on it for deciding how we enter the data. It really doesn't matter at all whether it says "Zombies" or "Zombie #1" - the only thing that really counts is the format. And the format is that of multiple cast members credited with a group role - for which there is only one correct way to enter it into the database.

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For that reason, I can see how people would see it differently that we do.

I can see how people could make that mistake, yes, but it stays just that: a mistake.
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I can see why people could make that mistake, yes, but it stays just that: a mistake.

The fact that it's not an English language movie makes it an even more avoidable mistake, since that fact ought to make people even more careful when jumping to conclusions about what names and headers mean.

I have no problem understanding why the initial reaction is: "Oh, if that's Zombie #1, then the dude below must be Zombie #2," but the immediate reaction afterwards really ought to be be: "But then again, this isn't in English, so maybe it means something else."

To not make that a consideration is just sloppy.
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Actually it's not automatically a group role. It could be that the first person is credited as Zombie #1 and the rest are simply not credited with a role. We just don't know.
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Actually it's not automatically a group role.

Agree. If it was a group role, wouldn't it be Zombies #1 ???
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Actually it's not automatically a group role. It could be that the first person is credited as Zombie #1 and the rest are simply not credited with a role. We just don't know.

Yes, well, that line of reasoning can be used with regards to pretty much EVERY SINGLE group role. But really, if you look at these credits (also look at the previous "Herzogs Livvakter" group), you don't really have any doubt, do you? It doesn't get much clearer than this, really... 
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Actually it's not automatically a group role.

Agree. If it was a group role, wouldn't it be Zombies #1 ???

If it were an english film, yes - but the film is Norwegian. Bentyman has already explained what "Zombie #1" means.
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Actually it's not automatically a group role.

Agree. If it was a group role, wouldn't it be Zombies #1 ???

Again, it's not an English language film nor are the credits in English. Hence you shouldn't apply English language logic. I would think you of all people should instantly get this concept.
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Actually it's not automatically a group role. It could be that the first person is credited as Zombie #1 and the rest are simply not credited with a role. We just don't know.

Exactly my point...taken at face value, this is an easy conclusion to come to.  It isn't until further information is provided, thanks northbloke and bentyman, that the true picture is understood.
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There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
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