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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
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I don't want to have to compare all the opening credits to all the end credits to see where to sandwich a person in between.
If you don't compare all the opening credits to all the end credits then how would you know when this situation has arisen? He won't. Now that you mention it, I am willing to bet most people don't compare all the opening credits to all the end credits. I know I don't...unless the end credits are in order of appearance or alphabetical order.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | When I am doing a profile I always put the opening credits first. If this a DVD that already has most of the data, I move the Cast and Crew to match the opening credits.
Then, I go to the end credits and change the Cast and Crew as needed. I'm not really comparing, and more often than not the credits were already correct, but this way I know everyone is listed.
As far as a rule change, I agree that TV and Film should have specific rules specific to their needs. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | I honestly never thought to do it that way. When I audit a profile, I look at the opeining credits for crew, and the end credits for cast. Other than the situations I noted above, I never look for cast anywhere but the end credits.
It would be interesting to know how other people do it, so I might just start a poll. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
When I am doing a profile I always put the opening credits first. If this a DVD that already has most of the data, I move the Cast and Crew to match the opening credits.
Then, I go to the end credits and change the Cast and Crew as needed. I'm not really comparing, and more often than not the credits were already correct, but this way I know everyone is listed.
As far as a rule change, I agree that TV and Film should have specific rules specific to their needs. This is basically the way I do it as well... Add all from beginning... and then rearrange/add from end. to make it match the end credits... this way if any is left at the bottom from the opening credits I move them to the top per Rules. So for me easier would be to leave at the bottom. But I am fine moving them to the top. But to go further and say well this person was listed in such order so should be between actor X and Actor Y. That is making it much more difficult. I for one would be completely against having Opening Credits divider and End Credits divider... as I do not want to have several actors listed twice in the majority of movies I own. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
I honestly never thought to do it that way. When I audit a profile, I look at the opeining credits for crew, and the end credits for cast. Other than the situations I noted above, I never look for cast anywhere but the end credits.
It would be interesting to know how other people do it, so I might just start a poll. In a fairly recent contribution which I did this way I turned out missing some main cast which was in the opening credits only (as was fortunately pointed out to me in a subsequent contribution by a fellow user which corrected my mistake). So you can't take it for granted that all cast is always listed in the end credits, even in films. BTW: shouldn't this discussion be in the Contribution Rules Committee? AFAIK this forum is for discussing contributions based on the rules as they are now. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | yes... I agree it really should have been put in the other forum originally. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting dee1959jay: Quote:
BTW: shouldn't this discussion be in the Contribution Rules Committee? AFAIK this forum is for discussing contributions based on the rules as they are now. Except I'm not a member of that section so didn't have much choice. |
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| Registered: May 9, 2007 | | Posts: 1,536 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
When I am doing a profile I always put the opening credits first. If this a DVD that already has most of the data, I move the Cast and Crew to match the opening credits.
Then, I go to the end credits and change the Cast and Crew as needed. I'm not really comparing, and more often than not the credits were already correct, but this way I know everyone is listed. That's how I do it. A simple new rule would be: Use the opening credits first, and then the end credits, but don't repeat any cast that has already been listed. All in listed order. Works for films and TV-series, and usually gets top billing correct even if the main list is alphabetical/order of appearance. | | | | Hans |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Staid S Barr: Quote:
A simple new rule would be:
Use the opening credits first, and then the end credits, but don't repeat any cast that has already been listed. All in listed order. Works for films and TV-series, and usually gets top billing correct even if the main list is alphabetical/order of appearance. That would, however, make a mess of any alphabetical/order of appearance cast list... |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Agree... plus there is times when someone is credited more then once... with a different role name. With a rule such as that it can be argued you can only list them once.
The more I think about this... the more I think the rule as it is now is right. | | | | Pete | | | | Last edited: by Addicted2DVD |
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| Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,851 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
The more I think about this... the more I think the rule as it is now is right. I agree. There is no need to change this rule. --------------- |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
I honestly never thought to do it that way. When I audit a profile, I look at the opeining credits for crew, and the end credits for cast. Other than the situations I noted above, I never look for cast anywhere but the end credits. That's how I do it as well. I only go back to the opening credits for cast, if I miss a top billed actor in the end credits which I know should be there. Otherwise I assume that the end credits is all I have to look for cast. |
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| Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
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BTW: shouldn't this discussion be in the Contribution Rules Committee? AFAIK this forum is for discussing contributions based on the rules as they are now.
Except I'm not a member of that section so didn't have much choice. Understood. BTW: your input would be most welcome there. All it takes to be able to join is a simple request to Invelos, which AFAIK invariably gets approved within a couple of days. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting dee1959jay: Quote:
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BTW: shouldn't this discussion be in the Contribution Rules Committee? AFAIK this forum is for discussing contributions based on the rules as they are now.
Except I'm not a member of that section so didn't have much choice.
Understood. BTW: your input would be most welcome there. All it takes to be able to join is a simple request to Invelos, which AFAIK invariably gets approved within a couple of days. I still don't get it, why the rules forum should not be open to everybody. Fortunately the days of the secret rules committee are over. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
I still don't get it, why the rules forum should not be open to everybody. Fortunately the days of the secret rules committee are over. It is open to everybody...you just have to request access. My guess is that this weeds out the people who really don't care and allows for the exclusion of trouble makers. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
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I still don't get it, why the rules forum should not be open to everybody. Fortunately the days of the secret rules committee are over.
It is open to everybody...you just have to request access. My guess is that this weeds out the people who really don't care and allows for the exclusion of trouble makers. Those, who don't care, will not read it anyway. And trouble makers should be excluded from all forums. |
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