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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote: When we had those discussion about T4Xi or Se7en, most users here considered we had, per the rules, to reproduce exactly what's on the cover. We have no space here, so rules ask for Meangirls.
I know that sometimes rule application seems stupid, and I asked in the past for the right to be intelligent when necessary. That was refused by most users.
So, no doubt, people who want to follow rules have to use Meangirls.
As for this , Quoting CalebAndCo:
Quote: Agreed. "MEANGIRLS" is just a stylized way to show "Mean Girls". do not forget FRANCOIS is a stylised way to show François... so let us be consistent... There is an exception in the rules for this Yves. | | | Pete |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 810 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote: Quoting surfeur51:
Quote: When we had those discussion about T4Xi or Se7en, most users here considered we had, per the rules, to reproduce exactly what's on the cover. We have no space here, so rules ask for Meangirls.
I know that sometimes rule application seems stupid, and I asked in the past for the right to be intelligent when necessary. That was refused by most users.
So, no doubt, people who want to follow rules have to use Meangirls.
As for this , Quoting CalebAndCo:
Quote: Agreed. "MEANGIRLS" is just a stylized way to show "Mean Girls". do not forget FRANCOIS is a stylised way to show François... so let us be consistent...
There is an exception in the rules for this Yves. This part of the title rules is new: Quote: If the title is shown run together, but with coloring and/or symbols splitting the title words, use standard spacing. Per this new rule, the answer is very clear pdf | | | Paul Francis San Juan Capistrano, CA, USA |
| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,479 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting pdf256: Quote:
This part of the title rules is new:
Quote: If the title is shown run together, but with coloring and/or symbols splitting the title words, use standard spacing. Per this new rule, the answer is very clear
pdf Same color, no symbol... we have to use rules, not to interpret them... nothing is said about fonts. | | | Images from movies |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 1,777 |
| Posted: | | | | Well, I certainly agree that the title should be two words, but Yves has a point. Where are all the purists now who were crying for some pretty stupid titles because they couldn't wrap their heads around the concept of graphic design? I believe the mantra was don't interpret the data, just type what you see. | | | Last edited: by mdnitoil |
| Registered: April 16, 2008 | Posts: 347 |
| Posted: | | | | If the title of the movie doesn't count then is anyone suggesting that we correct the profile titles to "SnowWhite and the Seven Dwarfs" or "SkyCaptain and the World of Tomorrow"? Yes, this is pretty much a rhetorical question. I'm really not trying to be a wiseguy but merely attempting to point out these current exceptions to the rules. Maybe the term "guidelines" would be better. |
| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,479 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting jfrench: Quote: Yes, this is pretty much a rhetorical question. Not really. In fact we have the real word, that we are allowed to reproduce in our local database. Then, we have the dvdprofiler contribution world, where reality has no place (*) : only rules count, no interpretation, except when validated by a clarification from Ken or Geri. (*) In fact, rules were made in a way to avoid as much as possible to reproduce real world. | | | Images from movies | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | You still don't get it Yves. This is not about your imagined ability to determine typos or "fix" things which offend your nationalistic sensibilities. It is simply about DATA, data that is easy to enter by each and every user because the data is what they see and is based only the data as presented, not based on some bizzare set of Rules determined by ANY culture or nation, simply based on the REAL data that you SEE On Screen. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,479 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote: ...., simply based on the REAL data that you SEE ... Thanks for supporting my position : Meangirls, without inventing a space. BTW, your vote was for MeanGirls ? why G ? | | | Images from movies | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 1,777 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting jfrench: Quote: If the title of the movie doesn't count then is anyone suggesting that we correct the profile titles to "SnowWhite and the Seven Dwarfs" or "SkyCaptain and the World of Tomorrow"? Yes, this is pretty much a rhetorical question. I'm really not trying to be a wiseguy but merely attempting to point out these current exceptions to the rules. Maybe the term "guidelines" would be better. I don't think anybody really wants to see Meangirls as the title. I know I certainly don't. Just pointing out the, shall we say, intellectual inconsistency that tends to go along with general message board herd mentality. Next month we'll have this exact same discussion about a completely different title and the gang may arbitrarily go a completely different direction. Layer Cake with the number 4, for example. A completely nonsense title that graphically looks cool but doesn't even match the credit block. Yet folks will swear up and down that the name of the movie is L4yer Cake. I was also a little annoyed to see folks reflexively dumping on Yves when all he's guilty of is remembering the previous title discussions that occured on these boards. It's not his fault his memory lasts more than a week and therefore can spot an inconsistency. | | | Last edited: by mdnitoil |
| Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,851 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote: Then, we have the dvdprofiler contribution world, where reality has no place (*)
(*) In fact, rules were made in a way to avoid as much as possible to reproduce real world. Is there really a need to resort to hyperbole and begin an argument? The fact of the matter is, "coloring" need not refer to the actual color of something, it could refer to an aspect or style of something. I believe we're all in agreement that "MEAN" and "GIRLS" are in two very different styles and so it isn't really a stretch to say their "coloring" is different. --------------- |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote: Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
Quote: ...., simply based on the REAL data that you SEE ... Thanks for supporting my position : Meangirls, without inventing a space. BTW, your vote was for MeanGirls ? why G ? Wrong again. If you look at the title you can clearly delineate two words based on several different criteria. You are simply trying to use a straw man argument to try and assuage you own desire to be able correct what you deign to be typos and or apply your arcane nationalistic or cultural rules to names, just so you don't feel offended the American Rules are similarly arcane, which is why we simply follow the data. And in the case of Mean Girls the data is CLEAR. The sad part about this is that you have an agenda that you want to achieve , you don't want cultural neutrality, which is what the system is based on, you don't want a system that is easy for any user to be able to enter the data without any particular knowledge other than what is shown On Screen. We don't have to wait for the oh so knowledgeable Yves to enter the data because it has to bend to HIS cultural wishes. You simply enter the data as it appears. You know Yves, it is not uncommon for Crew to use a different name when they "act". So you might have FRANÇOIS as a crew member and the same person as an actor listed as FRANCOIS. You might have Jorgé and Francois listed and you would no doubt argue that Francois was a typo, but you can't know that and it is not what the data says, which in this hypothetical is Francois. All you have to do is follow the data for the Online, it's the way the system was designed, and whatever you want to do locally is up to you. It was simply designed to make data entry easy for all to input with NO special knowledge or information as it relates to ANY nation or culture. As I have told you before when i am dealing with a bunch of french special characters I don't have any problem entering them i type what I SEE, I don't try to anglicize or americanize the data, I type what I see, and now that we have Custom Crew Roles that will apply to any such data as it relates to a Crew Role, I hope my French isn't too rusty.I have explained this to you in every way I can conceive of and you aren't interested you want to be able to apply your arcane cultural Rules and determine what is or is not a typo, that's all well and good but it simply is NOT the data. I am certainly glad that the user who asked about the title in the OP understood the answer. I, for one, am not sure how whether i would handle the issue via Original Title or not, I can see both sides of that particular argument. I would probably make the decision based on what worked best for ME, and would likely not contribute the Original Title data no matter what.<shrugs> | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,479 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
The fact of the matter is, "coloring" need not refer to the actual color of something, it could refer to an aspect or style of something. I believe we're all in agreement that "MEAN" and "GIRLS" are in two very different styles and so it isn't really a stretch to say their "coloring" is different.
I can undersdtand that. Unfortunately, this was not the majority's position about T4Xi. Remember that the color of 4 (grey) was different of T Xi (yellow). So was it T 4 Xi, or "using standard pacing" Taxi 4 ??? As said mdnitoil, I just point out a consistency problem. We cannot choose when we like the result of rules, and when we don't like it, can we ? | | | Images from movies |
| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,730 |
| Posted: | | | | | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up! But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
Registrant since 05/22/2003 |
| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,730 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
In fact, a poll where quite everybody is intelligent and ready to violate rules. Did I miss something?? Quoting the rules: Quote: If the title is shown run together, but with coloring and/or symbols splitting the title words, use standard spacing. So we're not ready to violate the rules, we're applying them. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up! But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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